Not wanting to go to lodge anymore.

[Levelhead]

Another fun fact or history facts.

This brother was at one time in the past a member of the lodge were in together now, but he got suspended and somehow had major problems with brothers so he joined my "other" lodge.

He got pretty much got the boot there too.

Then after the people he pissed off in the first lodge had blackballed his re petition he had to plan the vote on a day when those brothers were not there.

Well he got lucky and got voted back in.

Same thing happened in the OES chapter. Waited until the people weren't there then got voted in.

Crazy but it happened.

Now hes campaigning to get everyone to not like the brothers who didnt like him so they cant come back to shine the light on the crap he was accused of in the first place!

Also since hes been the SW the attendance has been the worse i have ever seen it.


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[MRichard]

Then after the people he pissed off in the first lodge had blackballed his re petition he had to plan the vote on a day when those brothers were not there.

Well he got lucky and got voted back in.

I don't see how it is possible that he could have planned to have a vote when certain brothers were not there when he wasn't even a member of the lodge.

 

[Levelhead]

He was a member but got booted. He just knew people there.


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[Bloke]

He was a member but got booted. He just knew people there.

Here, according to the Constitution, a joining member vote must be on the summons. If that was not done but is required, the validity of the vote might be questionable, but if the subsequent minutes were passed, that would probably the weaken any protest.... but I am not sure I would want to go down that route but would follow the old adage "give a man enough rope and he will hang himself" but I am not sure it's really masonic behaviour to do that.... but it will probably turn out to be true...

 

[Levelhead]

Well being a good Mason I tried to subdue my passions. Last night I was at a volunteer function and this said brother was there. I walked up to him and said hey brother can we just take 10 minutes to step aside and speak real quick. I can't believe this brother had the nerve after all I've done for him to say "what's been said is said and what's been done is done I have nothing further to say to you I do not want to talk to you" wow I was surprised to hear that being that i have done so much for this brother financially and helped him out a lot. I just looked at him and said well I'm not going anywhere I am staying in this lodge so you're going to have to deal with it.

Sucks. Because he is the senior warden and I am the Junior Warden so I guess he will try to block me from moving any further oh well I guess I have to deal with it.


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[Zack]

Sucks. Because he is the senior warden and I am the Junior Warden so I guess he will try to block me from moving any further oh well I guess I have to deal with it.


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My Brother,
do your job as your ability permits, as I have no doubts that you will. There are some wise Brothers in that lodge who can read between the lines. Nothing is sure about his being elected next year. Who knows...it could be you that advances to the East. One small piece of unasked for advice....don't do or say anything you wished you hadn't done or said.

If you need to vent, you have my #.

 

[Levelhead]

Thx brother. Id like to meet for dinner one day! Thank you for your kind words and eastward direction.


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[Ripcord22A]

Sucks. Because he is the senior warden and I am the Junior Warden so I guess he will try to block me from moving any further oh well I guess I have to deal with it.

Why dont you bring this to the WM and ask for meeting between you, the WM, the brother in question, and the SD(as he will probably be the JW next year) and get this all handled. There could possibly be grounds for masonic charges or even small claims court.....

 

[Levelhead]

If a person does not want to speak to you in general, the WM really cant do nothing.

And i REFUSE to beg for peace and friendship. Gave too much to try to mend this.


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[Levelhead]

Well when im the Jw and hes the sw its hard.


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[pointwithinacircle2]

It is hard to realize that you are the better man, and therefore it falls to you to do the right thing, because the other man is too weak, and then you have to love him anyway. I guess nobody said that becoming a better man was easy.

 

[Levelhead]

I know its a setup for destruction and high rage feelings that can only get worse.


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[Bloke]

It is hard to realize that you are the better man, and therefore it falls to you to do the right thing, because the other man is too weak, and then you have to love him anyway. I guess nobody said that becoming a better man was easy.

Yes, as I often say, this sort of situation is an opportunity for you to shine...

 

[Levelhead]

How so?


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[Bloke]

In a difficult situation you have three choices
1 Be the man you are
2 Be a lesser man than you are
3 Be a better man than you are

Number 3 takes work and conscious choice and is still a better option than 1 even if you're a top bloke

 

[Brother_Steve]

Well in respect i would not tell the story because its unfair to a person who is not here to defend themselves.

Pretty much in a vague nuttshell..

He was doing some work. He got me into it. But he was un insured. And could only get paid cash due to personal situations.

He would work for cash only.

Big contracts wanted ins and pay check to a company.

Well im insured, and own a company. We ran everything through my company with my ins. and was running his money through my company.

The big companies said "well your guy cant work on our jobs with no ins or 10/99.

I asked him to chip in on ins and were good. He refused and kept wondering why they werent using him no more and using me.

I mean really?

Now i guess he's sore thinking im stealing all the work.

The work i do is alot of OSHA job sites and 1mil ins is required for anyone who steps foot on a jobsite.

And somehow im hearing from other brothers about out "friendship problem" even the WM tried to talk to me about it. I told him "thats personal and not lodge biz" guess the guy is crying in lodge trying to make me look bad.


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Laws require a copy of workman's comp, insurance policy and tax ID of every person on-site. That is out of your hands. You're cable toe can not be extended to where you put yourself in jeopardy with the law. If your "Brother" cannot understand that, then you may have to do what you see fit to keep your sanity.

You are in an elected office. The elections for next year will cause disharmony in the Lodge if he creates a line in the sand by having two nominations for SW. You and whomever he wants to replace you with, if he stoops that low.

You can keep your ear to the ground and nominate yourself and run for WM as well.

Are you stooping to his level? Maybe, but why should you be the one to relent? Life isn't about bowing out all the time. Sometimes you have to fight for what is right. He doesn't deserve to lead the Lodge if what you say is true.

If you decide to run against him in the coming year, just do it right so you do not violate any masonic laws concerning electioneering.

 

[Levelhead]

If i ran for WM and won, he manipulate all the army he's recruited against me to either not be active or move lodges. Thats how he rolls.


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[coachn]

If i ran for WM and won, he manipulate all the army he's recruited against me to either not be active or move lodges. Thats how he rolls.


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Forgive the 2x4 approach here Bro., but the problem at this point is not him; it's you.

If you're in a hostile unsupportive environment, leave. You are holding yourself hostage to "your place in line".

As long as you choose to stay put, you have no right to complain about what you have chosen to be a part of.

Complaining in any direction that will make any difference whatsoever is whining and counterproductive.

You're the solution. Apply it.

 

[Levelhead]

I understand. I just to be there in harmony with myself. If im not in harmony with myself its hard to with others.


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[pointwithinacircle2]

You're the solution. Apply it.

I once went to a self-awareness/experiential learning seminar that lasted for eleven days spread out over four weeks. The self examination was intense. If you answered "I don't know" the reply would be "What would the answer be if you did know?" I always knew the answer to THAT question, I just usually didn't want to admit it.

Sometimes when I feel stuck I still ask myself "What would the answer be if you did know?"