Mel Knight
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the Lion, the Bull, the Man, the Eagle
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Warrior1256
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Thanks for the info. I am still fairly new to Masonry and there are many things yet that I don't know.
Mel Knight
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The more we know the more we realize how much we don't know 
Warrior1256
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I'm certainly finding this to be true!The more we know the more we realize how much we don't know
Bloke
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Me too
Mind you, I also shock myself on how much I have learned... but then again,see the first statement.
I've stayed out of this thread..
Bro MBGellner RAM; 32nd
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It is easy to become obsessed with a billion explanations of our symbols. The craftsman should reflect on his teachings and works. The deeper meanings will occur to you more over time and with practiced reflection.
In the end, we are but a copy made in an image. And our teachings are to practice this image. It is a sacred truth that if you are a copy; then the one true form exists. We are rough longing to be perfect and by the symbolism of the dialogue the allegory teachings are a prophecy to us that the perfect one does exist.
God is at its center
And we are God's followers.
God calls us a priesthood.
We are the priests.
We have chosen a side because we choose light. Light is good. And there is no darkness in God.
In the end, we are but a copy made in an image. And our teachings are to practice this image. It is a sacred truth that if you are a copy; then the one true form exists. We are rough longing to be perfect and by the symbolism of the dialogue the allegory teachings are a prophecy to us that the perfect one does exist.
God is at its center
And we are God's followers.
God calls us a priesthood.
We are the priests.
We have chosen a side because we choose light. Light is good. And there is no darkness in God.
Warrior1256
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Agreed!
Luigi Visentin
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This is a very special Tetramorph existing in a small Italian church. The fresco close to this image is much more interesting but also this symbol is very particular: the head is the one of the eagle. Unfortunately is very ruined even if it had been restored some years ago. Live image is much better. It looks like an hieracosphinx but there are some differences like the horns (bull), the hands that hold the book (the man, which is actually a cherubine) and the halo around the head.
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Kalkan Kali
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They represent the four Eras that have been conquered over time. Bull, Eagle,Lion,Man. Now is the Era of the serpent. These symbols are everywhere in ancient art. As one fell another rose, and know we live in the time of the serpent who will conquer the serpent, what symbol will be next.
What eras would each have represented? I'd like to research this more.
BullDozer Harrell
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Kalkan Kali
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I will not do your work for you but i will assist. Mithras, apis, anu, nor, summer,. These words do not represent your answer, only clues. The most important thing to find is which proceeded which. Or which over thru which. This will give you time, but place is irrelevant because they were everywhere at once, and although each died the bull could be dead in the east and alive in the west at the same time. Repeat do not bog yourself down with place only time as it relates to each place. also see my album for clues. (Happy hunting)?????
BullDozer Harrell
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Can you Christianize the Lurianic Kabalah concept, Tzimtzum and not confuse yourself?
Personally i'm so against the syncretism that's often attempted in esoteric philosophies.
Bloke
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Be that as it may be, synchetism is often just there and has been for many hundreds. if not thousands of years..
Actully more then one kabalah (as the word only means tradition).
Jewish Kabalah, Christian Cabala, Hermetic Qabalah and a few distinct forms of qlipothic kabalah are the ones I know of.
Kalkan Kali
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So true. I will never understand those who try to marginalize, instead of homogenize knowledge. Not to say that all homogenization is correct, but even in the attempt one can find things long hidden that connect not only correctly, but beautifully. Greek, Roman, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythology are often time viewed as fanciful story telling. If one were to only look closer they would find that these "stories" are allegorical.
If you believe in the Bible as a whole, and by whole I do mean that which is there and that which was left out. You must come to the conclusion that "all that is there, is not all that there is". We know this for fact. If all knowledge is already known, these discussions would be non existent.
Luigi Visentin
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Freemasonry of the beginning of 1700 was basically focused on Christian Cabala. To undestand it one must basically read "The harmonia mundi totus" (The Harmony of the World) of Francesco Zorzi (1466-1540), an Italian very popular in England too, but also other texts of Christan cabbalists. The concepts of Christian Cabala were used to overlap the ancient Masonic learnings giving to Freemasonry the modern form.
Considering that freemasonry (atleast in its modern form) come from a Christian culture it should come as No real suprise.