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is it a requirement US legal status to join the Freemasonry?

owls84

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Great topic, question came up last night when I was telling a candidate that he needed a copy of his birth certificate with his petition. I had a pretty good answer for him. Thanks for the posts.
 

drapetomaniac

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Saw this yesterday, but didn't think to post it because it would just start what was already started. But since y'all are already on it.

Last night’s “aha†moment came as I was reflecting on the issue of comprehensive immigration reform. The tendency of faith leaders advocating for a compassionate approach to immigrants is to appeal to the numerous “be kind to strangers†texts in the Hebrew Scriptures. The problem with this approach is that it elicits a universal response from the other side, “Yes, but those were legal immigrants. I’m talking about illegal immigrants. Since illegal immigrants are lawbreakers, they shouldn’t have any rights. And if you think they should, you’re just another godless liberal seeking to undermine the moral fabric of America… etc., etc.†It occurred to me that one of the most famous and beloved women in the entire Bible was an “illegal†immigrant. Her name was Ruth.

I’m not making this up. Deuteronomy 23:3 is clear, “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the Lord forever.†If you’re still not convinced that descendants of Moab were ordered to be excluded from the congregation of Israel, take a look at verse 6, which says, “You shall not seek their peace nor their prosperity all their days forever.†With this in mind, isn’t it strange that the hero in the story of Ruth is Boaz, a man that showed kindness to a Moabite woman? We look at the story today and know intuitively that Boaz was a hero, but we often forget that Boaz could have very well been considered a villain to the religious leaders of his day. After all, they might have said, the law forbids people like Ruth from being included in Israeli society — and they would have been right.
Kind of strange isn’t it? God writes a law and then commends people for breaking it? I can think of two other examples where this strange paradox occurs.

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http://blog.sojo.net/2010/03/23/if-ruth-was-a-moabite-illegal-immigrant-what-does-that-make-boaz/
 

GCT

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The problem that this man is facing right now is that it is not as simple as you all think to become a resident alien, unfortunately this country has made it very much impossible for these people to become legal. Don't ever came to your head that nobody wants to be an illegal alien? .'. .'. .'.
 

Beathard

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So may it ever be... Protect the west gate!

Don't fix the problem by allowing criminals to join. Fix the problem by addressing the manner in which people become legal. Fix the problem; don't create another!
 
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Warrior1256

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not to sound like a jerk,but i wouldnt vote for someone if their illegal. let them go through the steps to become a legal citizen,than come back to be voted on.
I agree. If someone is breaking the law daily I would think that this would disqualify them from membership.
 

Ba7

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I come from an ancient irregular temple and i wouldnt call myself a believer so you may take my words with a grain of salt.

I am married to a us citizen. You gentlemen have no clue what you speak of and how hard your gov has made it. Someone just quoted how you shouldnt scrutinize or stand up against ur own gov. So between education and fairness on one side and following rules blindly you choose the latter without question.


I even heard someone take a bash at liberals. Hehe. I am thankful i walk my road alone then. Id rather that than share it with most of the views shown here.

Whoch leads me to believe what i know is true. that freemasonry is lost multiple times since 1717.

You remind me of the Muslim arabs i grew up around. I tend to see the lack of empathy as well. That same empathy your lord and savior jesus christ had plenty to spare and he had said i am the way so who are you to cling to your personal opinion. A child of the light? Sure.

You think there is a difference between people who were born here and people who werent. The constitution doesnt make that mistake.

Also the scripture the gentleman quoted earlier said to always obey goverbment. So if germany or russia or ksa takes over usa you are bound to not protect yourself and obey?

Is that what the native americans still dubbed indians should have done?
Also you speak of human gov laws. Do any of you rise beyond the ten commandments? Has any of us truly rose above the first degree.

Freemasonry is cool but freemasons are outdated. They forgot what they were building. And now they are in-bred shouting damn tree huggers gonna ruin our country. Well it aint reallyyours. You stole it. And killed for it. And not too long ago. But you are so inbred you lack awareness amongst other things.

So you killed. A godly sin. And u live in it everyday. And you are allowed to be mason. Yet anyone who walkes in now (like your granddaddy did) or fails to renew a visa is cast out of the light? What is this newage light you follow. Is it LED? Is it blind or blinding. You are selectively christian. So you are not christian at all.

Excuse my blunt. Loaded it with kief.
 

Ba7

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And jesus was an arab jew.. dark and ugly and smelly. Not white and inbred and entitled.
 

Ba7

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So you adopt Christianity and freemasonry which are both middle eastern constructs. Which means you are a thief with no honor. Wheres the credit? Wheres being humble. Wheres curiosity and studying.

So you a thief with no honor roam free in this world but an illegal alien is cast out from the light?


You must forget that it was immigrant brain power that made this country great with science and literature. Not inbreds
 

Ba7

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Yes lets skip all the logic and only notice attitudes. Like if any thought that doesnt go with our thinking is invalid? Although i do agree i do see myself as a clown but am like krusty. Am serious. Since my tone is wrong i dont mind dwleting my comments. And by wrong i meant provoking. Maube even offending but whats wrong with shock therapy. Whats wrong with allowing people have their opinions no mayter how wrong they are. Obviously the couple biggots who replied with biggot point of views were allowed like if what they say is ultimate truth. I offer nothing but truth in my presentation. Maybe i should have remained silent and just felt pity.
 

Elexir

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I come from an ancient irregular temple and i wouldnt call myself a believer so you may take my words with a grain of salt.

I am married to a us citizen. You gentlemen have no clue what you speak of and how hard your gov has made it. Someone just quoted how you shouldnt scrutinize or stand up against ur own gov. So between education and fairness on one side and following rules blindly you choose the latter without question.


I even heard someone take a bash at liberals. Hehe. I am thankful i walk my road alone then. Id rather that than share it with most of the views shown here.

Whoch leads me to believe what i know is true. that freemasonry is lost multiple times since 1717.

You remind me of the Muslim arabs i grew up around. I tend to see the lack of empathy as well. That same empathy your lord and savior jesus christ had plenty to spare and he had said i am the way so who are you to cling to your personal opinion. A child of the light? Sure.

You think there is a difference between people who were born here and people who werent. The constitution doesnt make that mistake.

Also the scripture the gentleman quoted earlier said to always obey goverbment. So if germany or russia or ksa takes over usa you are bound to not protect yourself and obey?

Is that what the native americans still dubbed indians should have done?
Also you speak of human gov laws. Do any of you rise beyond the ten commandments? Has any of us truly rose above the first degree.

Freemasonry is cool but freemasons are outdated. They forgot what they were building. And now they are in-bred shouting damn tree huggers gonna ruin our country. Well it aint reallyyours. You stole it. And killed for it. And not too long ago. But you are so inbred you lack awareness amongst other things.

So you killed. A godly sin. And u live in it everyday. And you are allowed to be mason. Yet anyone who walkes in now (like your granddaddy did) or fails to renew a visa is cast out of the light? What is this newage light you follow. Is it LED? Is it blind or blinding. You are selectively christian. So you are not christian at all.

Excuse my blunt. Loaded it with kief.

If freemasons had risen against goverments it had in many ways been striken down by now.
In some countries it was the ruling class who took in freemasonry.

The light has not changed but its up to you to understand it.

Can you say that you know what true christianity is? Then you are deluded.

And jesus was an arab jew.. dark and ugly and smelly. Not white and inbred and entitled.

Most European where smelly and dirty in the middle ages.

So you adopt Christianity and freemasonry which are both middle eastern constructs. Which means you are a thief with no honor. Wheres the credit? Wheres being humble. Wheres curiosity and studying.

So you a thief with no honor roam free in this world but an illegal alien is cast out from the light?


You must forget that it was immigrant brain power that made this country great with science and literature. Not inbreds

Freemasonry in the modern sense is european.

True, christianity is from the middle east but we have had a christian culture for a few hundred years and modern freemasonry came out of this so no we are not theifs.
 
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