What religion did this come from?

[JTM]

I, or rather _________, beseech you as __________'s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those _________ and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, __________ commands it.

All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of _______ with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent ________ and is made glorious with the name of _______! With what reproaches will the _______ overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the _______ religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become ______. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the ________, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with _______ as their guide.

Hint: it was a long time ago. It's not very difficult.

 

[Sirius]

Christian.

I believe Pope Urban II?

 

[JTM]

yes. as it was read aloud to me the other night, i couldn't help but think that these words could have come from the mouth of osama bin laden himself if you filled the blanks in correctly.

 

[Sirius]

It does sound like ti could be from binladin. This is a powerful example of how religious fundamentalism gets people killed.

Where did you hear it?

 

[JTM]

this last stated meeting we had, a professor from A&M came and talked about the history of the crusades, this one on a slide, i looked it up later.

 

[Sirius]

Nice. I love meeting like that.

The Crusades weren't Christianity's brightest moment. But without the crusades, there would be no Renaissance and no Masonry.

 

[LRG]

I care less of religion. I care the most for FAITH

 

[rhitland]

I know the Pope right now I think his name is Benedict the 16th reconstituted a prayer from the 400's that is not very pleasant for the Muslim faith or any faith but his kind really.

 

[Sirius]

I care less of religion. I care the most for FAITH

What does this mean?

 

[LRG]

Religion can be tainted, well paid, lost, and deceitful.

What religion was Abraham, Moses, JESUS? They were none(catholic,muslim,budda etc.)
They had FAITH in one GOD-The King of Kings. My FATHER is everywhere.

What religion is our craft. None, but we have faith. A belief in one GOD. And, our craft has done more for humanity than religion. For what charge to humanity? None

 

[Sirius]

The Muslim ,Jew , and Buddhist would say they have faith also. Are they not equal as Brethren? Is their faith any less?

 

[LRG]

Religion------------------------------Faith

 

[Sirius]

Religion------------------------------Faith

I'm sorry, but I dont understand your meaning.

 

[Blake Bowden]

The Muslim ,Jew , and Buddhist would say they have faith also. Are they not equal as Brethren? Is their faith any less?

Would I sit in Lodge with a Brother of another faith? Of course, but when it comes to religion, Christianity is NOT equal to Judaism, Islam or (INSERT RELIGION). You either choose to follow Christ or refuse him. That being said, I'm not going to place limits on who God allows into Heaven.

Quick question.....how come Christianity is the religion often targeted here? Why is it okay to dissect and question Christianity, but take a hands off approach when it comes to other faiths? We should examine all religions and leave it up to the individual to decide what path to take....

 

[LRG]

Good question. Christianity( Jesus Christ ) is well thought of in many ways. The Koran has connections with our VSL-Book of Faith-. So why we won't get along? Pride. My Lord is better than yours. And this is true my Lord Jesus Christ is the one and only. Why?
In the Old Testament, God was of war and HE would wipe tribes and seeds off. Our God -The Only GOD -gave us Himself in flesh- Jesus - Jesus concluded the Old Testament and began the New Testament. Jesus preached about love, charity, fellowship, humble, and taking care of the sick. Jesus refused war and allowed himself to be TORTURED and Crucified. My Lord Jesus Christ only had to say " Help Father " and what do you think would have happened. Whatever belief one may have, one thing is true, Jesus Christ died for your sins.

Islam. Mohammed was of war.
Maybe someone could say of the good deeds that was done.
Who am I to say their beliefs are of not.
I respect all religions and it is hard to see the finger pointing at Christians. Because I am one

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What would happen if you take away religion and only left with faith? Does Faith need religion? When Moses went to recieve orders from Our Father, what were the people doing? Creating a religion?
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[Sirius]

Why is it okay to dissect and question Christianity, but take a hands off approach when it comes to other faiths?

It's the assumption that everyone else is wrong. Many Christians here state that they are correct and every other religion is wrong. Why cant two people have different faith? Why must one be 'religion' and therefore less than equal.

Good question. Christianity( Jesus Christ ) is well thought of in many ways. The Koran has connections with our VSL-Book of Faith-. So why we won't get along? Pride. My Lord is better than yours. And this is true my Lord Jesus Christ is the one and only.

I agree with your sentiments but disagree with your theology. But, I'll leave the theology alone. I think its more than pride that make us defensive about our faith, its our ticket to heaven. You question a mans faith and your questing his ability to get to heaven. But why must it be this way? Why cant we simply accept what we believe and it be OK for others to have there own quite faith? Why must those that believe different necessarily be wrong?

 

[LRG]

B/Sonny, what do you believe?

 

[Sirius]

B/Sonny, what do you believe?

Thats a very broad question. I think the answer you're looking for is this. I'm a Christian. That being said, I think that modern Christendom has misread scripture to its advantage. I guess the best term (label) for me would be, Gnostic Christian. But I don't think other Christians are necessarily wrong for their faith, just different.

 

[LRG]

ahh gnostic. explains alot-just kiddin

your right and that is exactly what i mean. leave it up to man to twist. to find hidden messages in passages. out of text. manipulate.

Is our GOD the same as everyone else? Maybe! Islam is not bad, it is just the radicals who brainwash the out of text passages within the scripture. One could get a different meaning out of the same scripture countless times.
It boils down to Faith not what ones wrote about hundreds of years After Christ.

 

[Sirius]

ahh gnostic. explains alot-just kiddin

your right and that is exactly what i mean. leave it up to man to twist. to find hidden messages in passages. out of text. manipulate.

Is our GOD the same as everyone else? Maybe! Islam is not bad, it is just the radicals who brainwash the out of text passages within the scripture. One could get a different meaning out of the same scripture countless times.
It boils down to Faith not what ones wrote about hundreds of years After Christ.

I think you're correct. It is man that manipulates words and people. I know every Christian isn't like the KKK'ers who will use scripture to justify everything they say. And I know every Muslim isn't out to start a jihad. A man half way across the world can lead a normal life, practice his faith, and feel a connection to God. Just because his faith is different doesn't make me feel his connection to God is any less thine mine, its just different. In my book different doesn't mean wrong. Judge not.