At what point?

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by dew_time, May 15, 2013.

  1. jwhoff

    jwhoff Premium Member

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    You are correct brother. I don't consider a man a mason until he is raised, understands, and begins living by the obligations he has taken. "Higher" degrees, or to be precise those leading to a more learned mason do not enter into this equation.

    I do not think a man who shows up for one degree, possibly pursues it for a time, and does not complete his third degree to be a mason.

    You are very correct in your synopsizes.
     
  2. crono782

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    While I agree w/ that to an extent. Why do we call it "master mason" as in someone who has mastered being a mason? Why not just call that "mason". The ea should then be called "pre-mason" and the fc called "almost mason". Should the ea not be called brother?


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  3. jwhoff

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    Neither the EA nor the FC owe dues to the lodge. Neither have the ability to vote. They are not full members of the lodge. They are not aware of all the obligations of a mason. They are not prepared to assume their position in the brotherhood. Like the operatives, they cannot build a strong edifice on their own knowledge.

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  4. AnthonyPomilia357

    AnthonyPomilia357 Registered User

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    Well said, brother!

    Master Mason from Metamora/Hadley Lodge No. 210 of the GL of MI
     
  5. jwhoff

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    That said Brother Anthony, I'll be there tomorrow night for three hours teaching EAs and FCs how to get down the road to that sublime degree.

    Our lodge has been blessed with 13 new master masons raised since 10-NOV-12. We're on a roll and are going to get these next seven or eight through as well. It's like I imagine it to be when a new lodge comes on board.

    There are serious men out there yearning for that missing part of their existence. Those of us who have made the journey owe it to them to see that they get that enlightenment. I, for one, am hell-bent on making sure that happens.

    Let's all work this thing together and in the end, make a better world of it for us all.

    I'll never lose this optimism! As long as there's one yearning sole out there and one man still left out there to provide the light we MY DEAR BRETHREN are still in business and still RELEVANT to the hopes of mankind.
     
  6. dew_time

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    Thank you... this particular statement sums up how I feel. Somethig is missing from my life. I work, I have kids, a wife, a truck or a house in the country but I don't have enlightment and the brotherhood that the freemasons of the world love so much.

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  7. promason

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    interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. promason

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    sincerely believe great spirit which founded Masonry lies in each of us!just have to search and find!
     
  9. stuntman98

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    You are a mason after your initial obligation has been taken.

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  10. dfreybur

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    Just checking - Are you aware that it is the worldwide standard that EAs owe dues, have a vote and are full members of their lodges? Everywhere outside of the US (or maybe US and Canada) follows this worldwide standard.

    Across the US GLs are moving back towards the worldwide standard in small steps. Almost all US GLs once again admit EAs and FCs to our business meetings. Some US GLs have resumed changing EAs and FCs dues.

    The time will come when it's time to move on to the next step and charge dues. Looking at my wrist watch, the year is now different from the year EAs and FCs were allowed into our Stated meetings. To me it's time. When will it be time for you? Be sure to answer in terms of the world wide standard not in terms of "we've always done it that way" because that's the wrong "we". The US made that change in the 1840s when the anti-Masonic movement and political party were in full swing. The reasons we diverged from the worldwide standard are long gone and long obsolete.

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  11. dew_time

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    The fee I paid included cost for my degrees and my dues for 1 year.

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  12. James F Jackson

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    Do all lodges mandaite dues? Since when did becomming a Mason turn into a Corporate Venture , this concerns me.

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  13. jaanthony

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    Dues are used to pay for expenditures of the lodge and also some of the dues go to Grand Lodge for operations. Electric bills etc. must be paid to keep the doors open. It's charitable funds must also be maintained. Any Fraternally organization must be funded somehow.

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  14. James F Jackson

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    Thank you

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  15. crono782

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    How do you suppose the lodges keep the lights on and the toilets flushing, hah?
     
  16. dew_time

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    Mice on wheels wired up to generators that charge batteries so that when the switch is flipped the light comes on ;)

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  17. James F Jackson

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    Wow u got some growing up to do making jokes like that, brothers like you stop people from wanting to join the masonic order, stand firm and re-evaluate you staments . I am so disappointed in you for your failed attempt at trying to make me look stupid when its brothers like you who will continue tarnish the masonic order shame on you, next time lift me up help me make my pillars firm instead of making inmature jokes, may the lord give you wisdom to bite your tounge next time you look silly it may be a joke to you, but for me my brother i will never faulter and ridicule one who is seeking light.....

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  18. JJones

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    Well Freemasonry is one of the oldest and most noble organizations still in existence (IMO) so I really don't think anyone needs to look at is like it's a scam to get their money (assuming the lodge you join is regular).

    I didn't find anything about dew_time's comment to be overtly offensive. If a man wears his heart on his sleeve so much that an small joke such as that offends him then he might have a hard time getting along with the brethren in any lodge...or any fraternity for that matter.
     
  19. dew_time

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    That was a little harsh...

    First off I quoted and jested a simple question posted by crono. There was no intention to make a fool of anyone.

    Second, I'm not the one that questioned the motives of the Masons collecting dues... You did sir.

    If, as a Mason, I raised such a question as you did.. I would look deep inside myself and question whether I truely am in the right place. I would definately talk to my WM and most certainly not.post such doughts in a public forum sucu as this.

    I know my place in life.. I don't need to question whether my dues will be put to good use or just for capital gain by some corp. entity as you described. And the next time you feel the need to insult someone... do it in private because you sir are the one that gave just made Masonry look bad.

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  20. James F Jackson

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    I do applogise for my failed judgement towards you i am the one who rushed to judgment i appologize


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