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Not a bad idea for all GLs and lodges.This now has me wanting to give a "refresher" education on clandestine masons/lodges.
Not a bad idea for all GLs and lodges.This now has me wanting to give a "refresher" education on clandestine masons/lodges.
I've got a presentation on Clandestine Masonry that I've given in a few lodges.Not a bad idea for all GLs and lodges.
Cool!I've got a presentation on Clandestine Masonry that I've given in a few lodges.
I've got a presentation on Clandestine Masonry that I've given in a few lodges.
Mark, would you be willing to share? I'd be interested to see how you frame it.
My understanding at the moment:
...and all three of those are separate/distinct, and any of them can be mixed and matched, although it is generally a policy of Regular, non-Clandestine Grand Lodges to not recognize Grand Lodges that are not Regular and cannot trace their lineage to UGLE.
- Clandestine: refers to a Grand Lodge that cannot trace its charter back to UGLE
- Regular: refers to the landmarks, work/ritual, etc. used by a given Grand Lodge
- Recognized: refers to the (wholly political) status of amity/fraternal relations between two Grand Lodges
Thank you for this clarifying info Brother.ou should know that it's not just UGLE or one of its progenitors (the Premier Grand Lodge (Moderns) or Antients) but any of the Grand Lodges of England, Ireland, or Scotland that a Grand Lodge must trace its lineage to.
We had the distinct pleasure of visiting Mother Kilwinning Lodge, whose members got a chuckle out of our excitement about UGLE's 300th... MKL has minutes dating back to 1642 and traces its history to 1140, so all the fuss about "300 years of Freemasonry" was a bit lost on them.
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- Recognized: refers to the (wholly political) status of amity/fraternal relations between two Grand Lodges
That is awesome. Must have been a great experience.
Each GL makes their own determination. For instance, Utah recognised four of the Brazillian Grand Orients this week. I don’t know that your GL has done or that it will do so.Is there anything close to a definitive list I could have a link to(recognized)?
Br. Mark made other corrections, but it is not a wholly political decision. In many cases it is one of applying Masonic law. The Stamdards of recognition used by CGMNA are seen here:http://www.recognitioncommission.org/publish/2004/06/10/the-standards-of-recognition/index.html
Is there anything close to a definitive list I could have a link to(recognized)?
Utah recognised four of the Brazillian Grand Orients this week.
Those are standards, yes. But "recognition" in and of itself is an action for a Grand Lodge to take, which can only be done through a process that entails voting as a Grand Lodge, at a Grand Communication. So... technically, it actually IS a wholly political process.
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Is there anything close to a definitive list I could have a link to(recognized)?
Well, it is difficult, isn’t it? Not everyone carries Pantagraph’s List of Lodges Masonic with them, and it’s not always correct. Amity’s developers are making a credible effort, but it isn’t there yet, and it will similarly always be subject to updates.California publishes its list in the annual Proceedings of the Annual Communication. I download a copy most years to make it easy to look up.
So far I haven't found the Texas list.
I've got an attitude about how easy or hard it is to find the list with respect to where I would visit should I find myself on international travel. I'll use an easily found list. I'll make a best guess if the list is not easily found, but I will NOT automatically guess a jurisdiction isn't recognized. Generosity after all.
In my work travels this has mostly applied to looking up MWPHGL lodges in various states that have local recognition. If any state has local recognition and I can't tell from all of my jurisdictions I go with the California one I can tell easily. If one of my jurisdictions didn't want me to visit a regular and recognized lodge they would have made it easy for me to look them up. I promised to follow the rules but not to be afraid of fellowship in cases where the rules aren't visible. I only promised to follow the rules I can actually look up.
Well, it is difficult, isn’t it? Not everyone carries Pantagraph’s List of Lodges Masonic with them, and it’s not always correct. Amity’s developers are making a credible effort, but it isn’t there yet, and it will similarly always be subject to updates.