Conduct unbecoming of Masons

Discussion in 'Masonic Jurisprudence' started by Onewhoseeks, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. jvarnell

    jvarnell Premium Member

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    I beleive bupton 52is right. But I would try to find out if the lodge you patitioned it clandestine.
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  2. Onewhoseeks

    Onewhoseeks Registered User

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    Daniel I am posting the email and the responses below:

    SW: As of Sunday, March 17 2013 your line is herby suspended until further notice. Take due notice thereof and govern your selves accordingly.
    Me:
    SW, What does a suspension mean? Why the suspension?
    SW: it means there is confusion amongst your line that will not permit any further advancement in masonry at this time and to stand by. Take due notice there of and govern yourself accordingly.
    Me: SW, With all due respect, I would like to inquire as to the confusion you have stated. I personally was not made aware of any confusion that would warrant such an action.

    That is the communication in its entirety and unedited. This is the first and only communication with the SW outside of being passed and the lodge meetings. As stated before, I have yet to receive a response from my inquiry from the WM or anyone.
    What is the confusion? What does standby mean? How long? Will there be resolution? Will they return phone calls?
    The questions are rhetorical.

    One question I would like answered is what can the DDGM do in this case?
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013
  3. bupton52

    bupton52 Moderator Premium Member

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    That lodge is not a clandestine lodge.


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  4. bupton52

    bupton52 Moderator Premium Member

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    Much like on a job, you must go up the chain of command. Check with the WM because he governs the lodge. The DDGM looks after the lodges under his area.



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  5. Onewhoseeks

    Onewhoseeks Registered User

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    Bupton52, thanks. I am sure what the SW warden is doing is on behalf of the WM. WM is giving the orders so he is not an option. WM and all officers were cc'ed in the email. WM nor any of them have responded. I will go to the DDGM.
     
  6. jvarnell

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    I did not really think that but it was the only thing I could think of for him to check. I alway want new people to have no problem and was searching for answers just as he was.
     
  7. crono782

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    I know of the lodge in question and it is not clandestine. Even if you see the WM cc'd, you should inquire to him next anyway. It would be regretful for you to approach the DDGM only to have him ask if you've broached the topic to the WM and you say no. Chain of command is usually firm if only for protocols sake.


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  8. Dude

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    Onewhoseeks,
    I would say, if you are indeed a Brother FC, be patient, if there are others in your "line" then the problem may not lay with you, it May be another. Remember to give the Officers time to work out the situation before you panic. In the meantime remember your working tools, and conduct yourself accordingly.

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  9. Onewhoseeks

    Onewhoseeks Registered User

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    Daniel and Byron your advice here is sound. I have reached out to the WM.
     
  10. Robert G

    Robert G Premium Member

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    Entered in error.
     
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  11. Ashlar76

    Ashlar76 Premium Member

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    Smart move FC, smart move. I pray for the best outcome for your situation.


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    Last edited: Mar 19, 2013
  12. Raymond Walters

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    Wth??? I am just smh after reading this thread!!!
     
  13. Michael Neumann

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    The lodge you are part of seems new or poorly run. Using emailed copies of ritual that are not to be written, if anyone remembers their obligation, suspending the entire "line" because of confusion, and then failing to reply with a valid response when asked why?

    From what I understand the lodge here moves candidates through in classes as well, they are successful as a class and fail as a class... something I disagree with. I will not have my success hindered by another's failure, it appears you have been hindered by another's failure. Masonry is about building the man and through the man building the group... it is not about building the group and through that building the man. Buildings are built ONE stone at a time... not by dumping a bunch of stones in a pile and then shaping them into a building.
     
  14. tomasball

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    All sounds very strange to my ears, but I'll decline to judge the practices and traditions of another jurisdiction, particularly after only hearing one side of a story. I observe that this grand lodge raised 82 men at one time at their last meeting.
     
  15. DJGurkins

    DJGurkins Floresville #515 Premium Member

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    So different from my lodge Floresvile #515 all the Brothers are so welcoming and helpful.
     
  16. Roy Vance

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    To OneWhoSeeks; I agree with crono782 on the line, that, as long as you have committed no offense, not become delinquent in your dues/fees, or otherwise broken a Masonic law, there should be some sort of recourse. You may be able to contact the MWPHGLoTX and ask their advice. As I am not a PHA Mason, I do not even know where the PHA Grand Lodge is located. But, you might try that if you are sincere in you journey toward the light. If this has in any way helped, I will be happy. Good Luck Brother!
     
  17. Bro. David F. Hill

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    Sometimes the issue is not with the candidates and the lack of response from the officers gives me the impression that this is the case (saving face by not fessing up making to a mistake). I have an idea what lodge it is and if I am right, they are all new. Everyone is learning on the run and they may have made an error (such as doing the work by email). They may be the ones receiving the guidance about how to conduct candidates properly and therefore the class was put on hold. Ideally, each candidate gets a degree guide that they study on their own but they also come together to discuss it in candidate degree study halls and hopefully by getting together with each other outside of the lodge.
     
  18. Wayne Simpson

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    Error on my part and unable to delete post, only modify. Thus it has been modified, leaving only this..
     
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  19. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    Could you explain a bit more about the "degree guide"? Is it like a code book?
     
  20. cog41

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    I'd like to know that as well.

    It all still sounds a bit confusing.
     

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