Grand Lodges in Italy

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  1. Center

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    could not agree more with your comments.
     
  2. Elexir

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    Considering that P3 is supposed to be just like P2 it would be more supprising if they didnt have a file on it.

    Freemasonry is not just a boogieman, the irregular political freemasonry is working against the church in many countries.

    Lets face it, until freemasonic lodges stop working political and starts to only initiate christians the RCC will not change its stance.
     
  3. Bloke

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    Agree.

    While irregular political masonic lodges might exist, they are irregular. A core of regular freemasonry is abstaining from religious and political intercourse as lodges.

    Can you list 10 of these "many" countries where Freemasonry is currently working "against" the RCC ? Can you name a single regular GL who does that ?

    Freemasonry has long tradition of initiating non-Christians, because we're a fraternity and not a religion and we're not a Church - with the exception of the Swedish Rite, we're designed like that exactly so we can initiated men with diverse spiritual and religious beliefs...
     
  4. Daniele

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    I do not enter into the current Italian Masonic situation because I realize that I personally experience it as being rather complex. The problem basically as pointed out by some brother

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  5. Daniele

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    Man is his pride, Freemasonry is a perfect institution and initially by tradition and regularity it was one, in whatever country it arose ... Italy, France, Spain etc ..

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  6. Daniele

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    anHe was the man and his ignorance has broken up what should hold together, so in Italy the different obediences are not wrong but the brothers who are part of it are wrong, including me

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  7. Daniele

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    Because we do not work for the unification of a single and great Italian Freemasonry, and also because there are too many political and economic interests that prevent this, I hope that in the future this will advocate

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  8. Daniele

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    The end should be equal in any obedience to the good and progress of humanity ... May joy be in our hearts, love may reign among men and peace may reign on earth

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  9. Glen Cook

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    If you think Italy is complex, Paraguay will make your head hurt, and Baja California will send you to bed with a migraine.
     
  10. Bloke

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    Really ? Really ?
     
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  11. Daniele

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    I'm not aware of the situation in Paraguay and California Bay, but in Italy there is a complex situation due to hypocrisy and pride of pseudo Brothers, certainly not very nice this

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  12. Glen Cook

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    No, it isn’t nice, but name calling isn’t either and it won’t help resolve the schism.
     
  13. Mike Martin

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    This is really a question to put to the Italian Grand Lodges, rather than a US discussion forum.
     
  14. YHWH

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    “Grande Oriente d’Italia – Palazzo Giustiniani”, was founded in 1805 by a duly recognised Masonic body; it is independent and sovereign; it duly observes and obeys the Constitutional Chart of the Italian State, and the laws thereof. It uses the initiatory symbol of the G.A.O.T.U. and meets all the Basic Principles for Grand Lodge Recognition; in particular: the discussion of religion and politics within the Lodge are strictly prohibited, and the principles of the Antient Landmarks, customs, and usages of the Craft are strictly observed. Emulation Ritual is adopted by many of our Lodges.

    GOI officially takes part in: the World Conferences of Masonic Grand Lodges, the Conferences of Grand Masters of North America, the Meetings of the Inter-American Masonic Confederation, the Conferences and Meetings of European Grand Secretaries and European Grand Masters. In 2007, the Grand Master attended the “Special Meeting” organized by UGLE (Nov. 5-6, 2007).

    Last year, GOI had the privilege to organize and host the 24th European Grand Secretaries / Grand Chancellors Conference (Rome, October 11-13, 2013), and was pleased to welcome a representative of the UGLE.

    GOI is in fraternal relation with 191 Regular Masonic Grand Lodges, all over the world. As several European Regular Grand Lodges, GOI is facing the problem of irregular Freemasonry.

    In Italy, many irregular Masonic Grand Lodges exist; a couple of them gather some 5.000/6.000 Brethren, and have international relations. Then, it is crucial for GOI to act and work in the best way, to reaffirm the principles and values of regular Freemasonry.

    With this in mind, the Grand Master of GOI is open for exchange of ideas and views on Freemasonry, with the Grand Master of RGLI.

    https://www.grandeoriente.it/en/about-us/
     
  15. Warrior1256

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    It became a perfect institution when I became a member (***snicker snicker***)
     
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    Baja [in italiano bassa (lower)] California-state of Mexico bordering on California USA, which is divided into 2 states Baja California Norte (North) and Baja California Sur (South). There are many Mexican "Masonic" Grand lodges and Orients that are considered "irregular" to the USA/UK lodges because they do NOT require a belief in Deity


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