Warrior1256
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Exactly. I believe that under the UCMJ, as well as in civilian law, this would be called THEFT.
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Having your light taken
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oldjumpmaster
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I don’t believe it ever got to the level of violence or talking with anyone’s command. Not sure of your familiarity of military lodges, however, a majority of the brothers are acquainted with one another due to the proximity. Again, not condoning this action or agreeing with the reasoning, just sharing some insight on what I’ve witnessed many years ago in Germany.
Warrior1256
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Understood. It's just that I've seen this topic discussed many times on this forum and it just burns me up that someone would think that they have the right to be judge and jury and simply take the property of someone else. Lol....I guess that you could say that this is a pet peeve of mine.
oldjumpmaster
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Understood, now that I know what your PP is I'll make sure to rehash this occasionally to keep you on your toes .
Warrior1256
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Lol, sounds like a plan!
Ripcord22A
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Spoken like a CSM...."Hey ya know what Joe hates?...sweeping the motor pool.....lets make them do that, every week, maybe even twice a week!"....lol
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oldjumpmaster
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They only hate it if you let them hate it. Besides there is nothing like a clean motor pool floor. They’ll appreciate you for it later.
Warrior1256
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Warrior1256
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Exactly!
oldjumpmaster
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Warrior1256, just when you thought you had it put to bed! Your PP is brought to the surface again. It wasn't even me this time. Someone else is keeping you on your toes! Lol
As a Mason I am in the search of light.
If that search (spiritual or physical) is attained from taking light from another I do not wish to receive that light. If anyone wishes to wear something they are free to do so. The greatest light a brother can have is within and we should strive to help that light grow. I could not imagine using my "superior" "knowledge" to take away from a "lesser" brother.
Story time from Uncle Goomba:
While on active duty (US Army) 1SG Green* was approached by SFC Brown. SFC Brown instantly went to parade rest an then addressed 1SG Green. This was odd and 1SG Green was known for not requiring anyone to stand at parade rest. He knew he was a 1SG. When SFC Brown walked away 1SG Green said "When SPC Green reported for duty at Fort Maroon SGT Brown treated him like crap. Now SFC Brown knows to always address 1SG Green as 1SG and to always stand at parade rest. NCO's look to your left. Tomorrow that Soldier may be on your right."
Thus ends the story.
*names have been changed to protect the innocent lol
For those of you who have never served I'll give a simple break down. In a platoon formation the squad leaders stand at the far right and individuals to their left are by seniority. Green was Brown's subordinate at one point. However, Green was squared away and eventually outranked Brown.
The Mason you take from today may be your Worshipful Master, Grand Master, or the one to come to your aid tomorrow. We are builders and we are brothers!
Crazy long ass rant over.
If that search (spiritual or physical) is attained from taking light from another I do not wish to receive that light. If anyone wishes to wear something they are free to do so. The greatest light a brother can have is within and we should strive to help that light grow. I could not imagine using my "superior" "knowledge" to take away from a "lesser" brother.
Story time from Uncle Goomba:
While on active duty (US Army) 1SG Green* was approached by SFC Brown. SFC Brown instantly went to parade rest an then addressed 1SG Green. This was odd and 1SG Green was known for not requiring anyone to stand at parade rest. He knew he was a 1SG. When SFC Brown walked away 1SG Green said "When SPC Green reported for duty at Fort Maroon SGT Brown treated him like crap. Now SFC Brown knows to always address 1SG Green as 1SG and to always stand at parade rest. NCO's look to your left. Tomorrow that Soldier may be on your right."
Thus ends the story.
*names have been changed to protect the innocent lol
For those of you who have never served I'll give a simple break down. In a platoon formation the squad leaders stand at the far right and individuals to their left are by seniority. Green was Brown's subordinate at one point. However, Green was squared away and eventually outranked Brown.
The Mason you take from today may be your Worshipful Master, Grand Master, or the one to come to your aid tomorrow. We are builders and we are brothers!
Crazy long ass rant over.
Warrior1256
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lilhut3579
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I get the idea, but honestly him being healed in a just lawfully constituted lodge, being a member in good standing, holding a current dues card is all the protection he needs.
Ripcord22A
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He doesnt even need that....his ring hat car emblem ect ect IS PRIVATE PROPERTY! A private citizen can display what ever they want as long as they arent trying to defraud some one. Such as someone wearing a FULL set of military camo amd saying things that make non military think they are in the military. Shoot they dont even have to say anything. Most places offer some.kind of military discount so wearing the uniform is getting them something they havent earned.
Wearing or displaying a S&C or a double balled cane wont get you anything except a wave and a hand shake, maybe a conversation if you have time.
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I do not think that the OP was implying the theft of anything, I read it as confiscation to prevent the brother from displaying the colors of that lodge, I assumed that it would be returned to him once he was found proficient.
I also assumed that whatever action taken by the brethren of that lodge would be in accordance with their by-laws
I'm a law enforcement officer, you literally just discribed theft at a minimum in every legal jurisdiction I've worked.
The Grand Lodge of Alabama have an edict or constitutional rule saying only Master Masons can display our fraternal emblems. This and only this is only avenue of discipline within that Grand Lodge. But then it's not too stop or take items. It's because they aren't following our rules.
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