Dontrell Stroman
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Key word CONSIDER, that doesn't actually mean they are correct ?
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....and their mothers wear Army boots
There is no commonly accepted definition of the term "clandestine." Under their codes (and there are more than one who use this term when not in amity), they are correct.Key word CONSIDER, that doesn't actually mean they are correct ?
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It certainly can get confusing!CGMNA long ago made this determination, as did UGLE. However, some GL's will consider it clandestine, simply because they are not in amity.
You're right, this certainly does simplify it.Really, there is only two things to know;
1 - Can you accept visitors from a Organization into open lodge
2 - Can you visit in the lodge or another Organization.
The nomenclature around the above are secondary..
"most" not all...!Most GLs disagree and consider this GL and coMasonry in general clandestine.
Your reasons for leaving are unclear. It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way. Please elaborate on why you left so that we can better understand your reasoning.
Yes, that's what I said. ??"most" not all...!
1. Ruler. As I remember, you were a Master who felt unable to complete his term. I would not place great emphasis on having been a "ruler."As a former ruler inside a UGLE lodge, I decided, after considerable soul searching, that UGLE Freemasonry is at variants with my my religious, moral and principle beliefs in life. That is all I am prepared to reveal at this time. My reasons will become clear inside an international leading Masonic magazine who are covering my transition from UGLE to another Grand Lodge.
"Clandestine?" As May West once stated; 'frankly my dear I don't give a damn'
Yes, that's what I said. I could clarify that most regular GLs consider co-ed GLs clandestine, off limits, and a big No-No.
1. Ruler. As I remember, you were a Master who felt unable to complete his term. I would not place great emphasis on having been a "ruler."
2. Clearly you do care, as shown by this and your many other posts on the subject.
3. To be clear, I have no problems with people joining unrecognized grand lodges. Regular Freemasonry is not a good fit for everyone. Indeed, not every regular lodge is a good fit for every regular Mason.
Dear. Dear Dear....typical UGLE response...!
Clandestine
Maybe but he made some valid points. You would have probably agreed with them in the past.
So, specifically, which parts do you believe are in error? Are you saying you did complete the office? Are you saying I should have a problem with Co-masonry?Dear. Dear Dear....typical UGLE response...!
Ahh, but that is one of the problems I see in your posts. You can leave UGLE, but you cannot leave it alone. Thus, the biased attacks against the system, rather than explaining specifically perceive errors in others arguments. Simply saying that one is wrong because one belongs to UGLE is not persuasive.I never agreed with them in the past MRichard, but comments like that are generally from those that end with the letters UGLE in their 'sig line'. Live and let live as my late father used to say.
I never agreed with them in the past MRichard, but comments like that are generally from those that end with the letters UGLE in their 'sig line'. Live and let live as my late father used to say.
Actually, that was the character Rhett Butler in "Gone With the Wind".As May West once stated; 'frankly my dear I don't give a damn'
Actually, that was the character Rhett Butler in "Gone With the Wind".
Ahh, but that is one of the problems I see in your posts. You can leave UGLE, but you cannot leave it alone. Thus, the biased attacks against the system, rather than explaining specifically perceive errors in others arguments. Simply saying that one is wrong because one belongs to UGLE is not persuasive.
So, specifically, which parts do you believe are in error? Are you saying you did complete the office? Are you saying I should have a problem with Co-masonry?