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Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by JB93, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    That part is about the written word, it says nothing of the symbols. If it did, every lodge, grand lodge, and temple would be in violation, what with a big S&C on the building, not to mention all those posters of the symbols of each degree inside.
     
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  2. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    Where does it say you can't use a penal sign in public ? I have yet to see it. I have looked though all my material and I can't find it.
     
  3. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    The best thing to do is check with your jurisdiction. I have never been told it was to only be used in a tyled lodge. New to me
     
  4. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Why would there ever be a need to use the penal sign outside of lodge?
     
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  5. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Only if you're wearing paraphernalia with Masonic secrets on it, then yeah, that's a problem.
     
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  6. JB93

    JB93 Registered User

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    The square and compass is a secret. We all have pictures on social media in our regalia which our secrets are carved on it. Some lodges have pictures inside their temple. We violated on a lot when it comes down to those obligations! Especially the pluck your heart out etc. I have witness plenty violations and Ive yet seen a man suffer consequences for his actions lol.. my point is we dont follow our obligations and our obligation was written in ancient times... I dont know any fraternity that broadcast their information but we all should be able to use certain things in public when it comes down to recognizing another brother... plus its fun to greet on a masonic level..and no one knows what's going on.. Even though I rarely catch on to catechisms.. I like them. Kind of entertaining lol
     
  7. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    Not in my world. The only secrets are how we recognized each other...
     
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  8. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Not sure what jurisdiction you belong to, but the Square and Compasses are not a secret. No need to go any further.
     
  9. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Were you ever healed? Didn't you belong to a clandestine lodge?
     
  10. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    May I ask of what GL you are a member? Treating the S&C as a secret, as compared to the interpretation thereof, is an unknown concept to me and I am familiar with the usual positions of CGMNA GLs. It would appear we are confusing the symbol for the thing symbolized.
     
  11. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    It's a sign of recognition. If me and another mason give each other the sign, we are acknowledging the same thing as walking up and saying "I'm a mason" I'm here if you need me. I have seen the sign given when two brother could not talk.
     
  12. JB93

    JB93 Registered User

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    Yes I WAS a clanny and I was healed in the GLOG PHA.
    I hate to post this from our obligation but


    I will not print, paint, stamp, stain, cut,
    carve, mark, or engrave them, or cause the same to be done, on any thing movable or
    immovable
    ... Do you guys know what immovable mean or no??
     
  13. JB93

    JB93 Registered User

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    Or I could be wrong.. remind you I am still young and learning! Take it easy on me and enlighten me if I am wrong. I am no longer a clanny.. well I am no longer a SUPER clanny because Phaga not recognized yet
     
  14. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    You do realize that in many jurisdictions you just violated your ob.by writing those words?

    Yes, son, I know what the word means. The issue here is what we are writing, not what we are writing it on. We are not to write the secrets. The symbol itself is not a secret. The meaning of the symbol may be a secret. I am wearing a ring now authorized by the statutes of my order. . I won't tell uou the meaning of the ring as you are not a member of that order. That does not mean you cannot see the ring. To the contrary, as I am allowed to wear the ring in a specific manner, it is expected you will see it..

    I commend your move to regular Freemasonry and the courage it took. However, it appears you still rely upon some of your clandestine knowledge which, I'm afraid is error.
     
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  15. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    GA PHA is regular, just not fully recognized. There is a problem as it is reported that it maintains Masonic relations with the grand Lodge of France, a clandestine Grand Lodge. If correct, this could be problematic in the future
     
  16. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Agreed! If a Masonic lodge can publically display the Square and Compasses, a Commandery display the Cross and Crown, the Scottish Rite display the Double Headed Eagle then surely I can wear these emblems on my person.
     
  17. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

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    As I have stated before there's a key word before all of this also read a line or two before before witch should put things into perspective

    what is them is it sylla....or symbols ???
     
  18. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    It certainly is in my jurisdiction.
     
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  19. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

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    This is kinda disrespectful remember we are all Mason's and meet on the level regardless of age


    IMO this is being used as a crutch in some jurisdictions PHA GL's could easily withdraw recognition from GLOF why burn bridges when no one is trying to replace them and I get the whole connecting of the dots theory but has GLofGA sent correspondence stating MWPHGLofGA needs to do this or are both sides just happy with the way things are not being in amity with one another ?
     
  20. JB93

    JB93 Registered User

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    So its nothing secret about exchanging signs in public then right? The meaning of the sign may be a secret. But the sign itself is okay to display?? Or The signs are secrets point blank period?
     

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