Recommending Comasonry

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by JJones, Jul 9, 2017.

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  1. Glen Cook

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    The implication being that exclusion of the transgender violates the law? As a private Association we are allowed to discriminate on any number of bases: gender, religious belief, criminal history.

    We may rely upon a statement of belief, but in other prerequisites, we may require proof, such as a criminal history in some jurisdictions. Indeed, so doubting are we of a person's word, most jurisdictions require him to be recommended. Some require additional references.
     
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  2. Glen Cook

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    Well, but it does for co-Masons, or at least many comasons have stated so repeatedly and at length, including in this thread.
     
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  3. Warrior1256

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    Yep.
    Same here.
    Good point.
    ***snicker snicker***
     
  4. Bloke

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    That aside, there issue of disclosure....
     
  5. JJones

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    Sorry, you guys know how much I like to horse around. :)
     
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  7. coachn

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    I did not get this from the posts on this thread.

    What I did get is that the opinion of any other Grand Lodge as to co-mason regularity doesn't matter since it is only the regularity of the co-mason Grand Lodge that matters to the co-mason GL. As it should.
     
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  8. David612

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    We will have to agree to disagree on this gents.
     
  9. Ripcord22A

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    Which parts?

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  10. Bloke

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    EXACTLY COACH !

    This is why I thought Karen's essay won the prestigious prize it did, because it explains that. The prize was sponsored by the (very "regular"!) United Grand Lodge of England's Pro-Grand Master, Lord Northampton.

    It made me understand "regularity" with a clarity i did not have before Bro Karen gave me some schooling.

    "Regularity" is like club rules. What is acceptable in one club is not acceptable in another.

    Mainstream "Regular" Freemasons sometimes carry on about what happens in clubs they will never visit, have a shared heritage with, and the ironically often wish us well (and will receive us as visitors though we can't visit because of our own rules).... Frankly many regular Freemasons vilify and persecute other Freemasons, because they're not in the same club. It often feels akin to Christian persecuting Christian because they're different denominations.

    If you want to understand the concept of regularity - read Bro Karen's article without getting hung up on her gender or title. Regularity is the product of each Soveign GL much like law is the product of each Sovereign Nation State. What's legal in one state can be illegal in another and as Freemasonry instructs it's members to abide by the Law of the State in which they reside, so should we abide by the Law of our own GL's.
     
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  11. David612

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    About the merit of transgender males in masonry.
    Personally I feel that if they have gone through everything required to be recognised as a male and live as such that's good enough for me, but I understand that others don't feel that way.
     
  12. Glen Cook

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    Neigh. You mustn't.
     
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  13. Bill Lins

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    The context within which I was commenting was clear- "Under the rules of MY Grand Lodge".
     
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  14. coachn

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    The thread went like this...
    Not really. What is clear is that you are trying to re-associate your comment:
    By taking my words "out of context". The posted string does not lie.

    What I wrote has everything to do with "the context to which" you were arguing "BY DEFINITION", and not to what came far later in your post about "Under the rules of MY Grand Lodge".

    Your protestation is weak. Your argument is weaker.
     
  15. MasterBulldawg

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    Woman may go through the transgender process but she can not change her DNA or her skeleton. So she can change her outward appearance and live and act as a male but she will never truly be a male.




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    As I said befor I'm happy to drop the subject but I'll bite, do you often find your male skeleton or DNA to be a significant advantage in freemasonry, since the state will legally recognise them as male and it makes no difference to me I'm not concerned, if it's an issue for you then that's something you should reflect on and educate yourself on. The number of young transgender people killing themselves or being beaten to death in the streets in other countries is sickening.

    I don't think this forum is for me.
     
  18. Warrior1256

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    Simply because some disagree with your point of view?
     
  19. MasterBulldawg

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    1. I am not bashing or making fun anyone. Just stating fact.

    2. I believe it's about less than 1% of the total population in the USA and I am not sure out of that 1% how many is transgender males or transgender males that is interested in joining Freemasony. So I don't think Freemasony will huge rush of transgender male petitioning.

    3. My DNA and Skeleton is what makes me biologically male which is i believe a requirement in 99% of the MS GLs(no sure about France) to even petition.

    4. I am live and let live kind of guy so that's why i think that unless a MS GL petition specifically asks about being a bio. male or transgender male then it should be left to local lodges and the craft of the Grand Lodges.

    I have said on other issues: I believe that local lodges and the craft of the Grand Lodges should be the keeper of the West Gate. We as a fraternity should look for quality over quantity.

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  20. Ripcord22A

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    and that number doesn't change post transition....leading me to believe that"feeling" like a lady or a man isn't the real issue and that there is a more serious mental condition that needs treating.



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