Yep. I am indeed. And much much more.Wait a minute.....are you saying.......that we are not......descended from the Knights Templar????!!!!!!! (gasp)
Yep. I am indeed. And much much more.Wait a minute.....are you saying.......that we are not......descended from the Knights Templar????!!!!!!! (gasp)
Yes Brother Mark. That is exactly what I am saying. And that "he" is Brother John S. Nagy for future reference.He's saying that we're not descended from the stone mason lodges of Great Britain.
I don't think Brother Bob would argue with me on this. It's pretty clear what we do now is not even remotely related to Speculative Masonry as the organization as a whole has so elegantly defined it.I'd love to see him debate Bob Cooper on that topic.
Sounds reasonable.Any resemblance to Stonecraft is purely contrived to add to the illusion.
It also explains why there are SO MANY inconsistencies within Craft lore, history and alike.Sounds reasonable.
* One example: Cowans are NOT pretenders to the Craft. They were Master Rough Masons, they Served Apprenticeships, they had Apprentices who learned from them, and they were members within many Craft lodges prior to the Grand Lodge Era. Only after knowing this and doing further research does one begin to see the true reason for keeping them out of the lodge.
It's most unfortunate that almost everything you'll come across about Cowans is polluted by Freemasonic influence. When you filter out the Freemasonic rubbish, you begin to see that there's more to it than what has been influenced by our Fraternal chatter.Brother- could you expand on this more? I did a quick bit of googling and found that a cowan was some one that "built without mortar" and became a stonemason without proper training...
Very informative coachn. Thank you for this clarification. I had no idea of the true meaning. I just took cowan to mean pretender.You can get a nice overview here: http://buildinghiram.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-hole-story.html
The Craft are trained to believe Cowans are Pretenders. Without further research, they shall likely die not knowing any better.Very informative coachn. Thank you for this clarification. I had no idea of the true meaning. I just took cowan to mean pretender.
Yeah, I ran into this too at the very beginning of my research efforts and would have stopped there had I accepted it like most of the stuff offered up to justify our Craft attitudes. However, I did not stop there and I am glad that I did not.The first Schaw Statutes of 1598 (governing the conduct of Scottish Masons’ Lodges) uses the term in a way that makes clear that the term was known to Scots of that era. §15 says “No master or fellow of craft shall accept any cowan to work in his society or company, nor send any of his servants to work with cowans, under the penalty of twenty pounds as often as any person offends in this matter.” So we see that well over 400 years ago, the term cowan had meaning to Masons, and that a cowan was someone to be avoided. But what did the term mean? Jamieson’s dictionary of the Scottish language (1st Edition) (http://www.scotsdictionary.com/) defines a cowan as follows: “A term of contempt, applied to one who does the work of a mason, but has not been regularly bred. . . Also used to denote one who builds dry [without use of mortar] walls, otherwise denominated a dry-diker.”
In 1598?It was likely used by an ignorant speculative Freemason to justify exemptions.
You mean the date that was followed by an inconvenient [?]In 1598?
KITE AND KEY Lodge in PA
Meets 4th Wed of the month...next year 3rd wed of the month. Meetings start at 7 pm.
Please go..... i never get an independent opinion of the lodge..... and we might finally get that PM (whose name is on the warrant) here..... i've tried trash talk, praise and begging without luck. I'm starting to think he doesn't love me any more....Thanks! that complicates matters as we usually do degrees the 3rd Wednesday.
I don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that the Schaw Statutes of 1598 aren't from 1598? I've never seen anyone else question the date of the Schaw Statutes.You mean the date that was followed by an inconvenient [?]
Yes. I can see that you don't. The "date" is followed by a bracketed question mark ([?]) in the dictionary that denotes the definitions used. This indicates to researchers and students alike that the date is "questionable". In this case, "inconvenient" for those who want it to be something that is unquestionably accurate; of which it is deemed unworthy.I don't understand what you are saying here.
I am not.Are you saying that the Schaw Statutes of 1598 aren't from 1598?
Perhaps you are taking things out of context this time and hence your first experience is due to an assumption on your part.I've never seen anyone else question the date of the Schaw Statutes.