TexMass
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and we all... fall... down.
Cool! We're closing in on Tobago! Are you serious!!
and we all... fall... down.
and if canadian healthcare is so great, why is he coming here? is it possible he didn't want to wait in line?
i mean, if we're gonna have federal healthcare, where will our rich people go to have the best medical care?
also, you never responded to my above post regarding how far you'd go to push this onto me.
Texas is the uninsured capital of the United States. More than 5.8 million Texans – including 1.5 million children – lack health insurance. Texas’ uninsurance rates, 1.5 to 2 times the national average, create significant problems in the financing and delivery of health care to all Texans. Those who lack insurance coverage typically enjoy far-worse health status than their insured counterparts.
Texas Medical Association
Harvard study says an average of 128 people die every day due to lack of insurance or underinsured. My wife is diabetic and since I changed jobs she now has a pre-existing condition. I have had surgery on both my knees and now have arthritis which I have been told is a pre-existing condition. Things must change. The one thing that really pissed me off was the Medicare Pharm bill that Bush signed. It increasesd the payment for medicare drugs from 80% to 90% but you cannot buy generic drugs. My mothers medicine went up over 300% because of this bill. I hope they all burn in hell.
As far as waiting in line - the basis of that entire "problem" is the idea that everyone has access. The only way to keep the line short is to make sure other Americans don't have access to medical care. This is what people are arguing for - making sure all Americans don't have access. Because when they do, you'll have to wait behind the guy who would otherwise not have been covered for pre-existing conditions or lack of payment.
Like I said, “The Ruling Class Elite”.Fact is, he's a millionaire and gets to shop around the world for his specific ailment and specific…
As far as waiting in line - the basis of that entire "problem" is the idea that everyone has access. The only way to keep the line short is to make sure other Americans don't have access to medical care. This is what people are arguing for - making sure all Americans don't have access. Because when they do, you'll have to wait behind the guy who would otherwise not have been covered for pre-existing conditions or lack of payment.
As I pointed out you could apply this to anything. States all over the country don't want No Child Left Behind (or at least the unfunded portions).
Do you think we should jail employers who refuse to deduct the tax amounts that go into these programs?
"they're going to invade and shove guns in our faces to make us take our social security check!!!"
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It does not!To bring this conversation to a masonic level…
EVERY other industrialized nation having implemented it…
As far as waiting in line - the basis of that entire "problem" is the idea that everyone has access. The only way to keep the line short...
Like I said, “The Ruling Class Elite”.
That had to be the most perverse logic that I have ever read in my life…
The fact of the matter is everyone wished all are covered and paid their own way, but that would boggle your mind wouldn’t it? The real elite (the ruling class) will not personally reject their plans and buy unto the public option, why? Could it be they are just using “breads and circuses to entertain the masses? Could this once again be the utilisation of class warfare envy?
So it’s this 75% of America that doesn’t want this, that are whom you are referring?
For someone that claims to know all the facts,
Great job on the fear factor there… The real facts are they’ll just take more taxes out; lest we forget “they” (the federal government) took the money out of our checks, taxed it, then sent it back out; the checks based on the value of the more increasingly useless value of the money “they” print as fast as they can print it. A nice gig if you can get it.
"To bring this conversation to a masonic level…"
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It does not!
One MORE TIME we are NOT like EVERY other industrialized nation… If you want it, go there, there was a reason the Europeans chose to came HERE, get it?
What part of more illegal aliens, equals more uninsured do you not understand?
And then you expect us to feel guilty? NOT!
As far as waiting in line - the basis of that entire "problem" is the idea that everyone has access. The only way to keep the line short...
Ah I see, the line is getting too long for those that think they should have equal access without paying. I now get it!
Again I say, You really didn't think you were going to make your neighbour pay for this without your contribution "for the greater good" did you? How selfish of you (and shame on you if you were).
If its any consolation Hispanics use less medical care than others. Not actually a good thing though.
75% of the population is happy with their health care and do not want these changes.
Sure I believe that; every time I see the statistics from our hospital district report and every time I take an employee into the emergency room for “emergency†care. Anyway thanks for the laugh.
You know what Samuel Clemens said about those statistics…
Two arguments.
1) I don't want to wait in line
2) I want others to pay their own way
Besides "paying their own way" being a separate issue from wait times (if everyone were capable of paying their own way, you would still have to wait), you're the first person I've ever heard to combine the two issues into one.
And again, one of the complaints about "one of the many options on the table" is the "penalty or tax" ------ which would be paying their own way.
If certain various people started going to the doctor more, you'd have to wait longer.
If coverage in Texas goes up 30%, you will have to wait longer for medical care in Texas. That's if people pay their own way or don't.
It's easier to win an argument when you ignore the ones you don't like- or dismiss it before you see it based on anecdotes?
When charity becomes an entitlement it no longer is charity.
We as citizens are granted certain privileges and rights, along with those rights come responsibilities. One of these responsibilities is to not become a burden upon society. Only the spoiled brat would claim charity as a right...
You can claim what “you think†about individuals with antipathy towards humans but you’d be wrong. There were days when we would by the widow a cow so she could have milk for her children and she would make cheese and other products that would afford her a living. We now give everybody free milk, receive nothing but further dependence and the demand for more entitlements.
* More than one out of four working families with children is low-income. In all, a total of 42 million adults and children struggle to get by.
* The number of low-income working families increased by 350,000 between 2002 and 2006.
* Income inequality among working families increased by almost 10 percent from 2002 to 2006.
* The goal of economic self-sufficiency remains an elusive dream for far too many working families.
http://www.workingpoorfamilies.org/about.html
Not sure it is for those giving it either way when the recipient has to pass a judgement test.
A woman wakes up to find her husband as walked out. She might be someone who just wants to make sure her kids can eat, focus on school, are safe after school and are healthy - all of which require assistance or for which assistance is available.
But if she actually asks for it - well, then lets call her a thief who shouldn't have had kids she couldn't support. And if this is her second marriage and her first child was by her first husband, well then we can add whore. Obviously, we shouldn't help her.
However, if I in my graciousness dain to help her individually above her protests, then she just might be worthy of charity without being a lazy thieving drug addicted prostitute.
What if instead of focusing on the most fringe and demonizing extreme we can imagine, we thought about the working poor.
Of course, at this point we can start to talk about "how they shouldn't be allowed to have kids if they can't care for them" (even though many of the working poor don't have kids) or "they should have worked harder in school so they could get a better job."
We can assume their work ethic, motives and other demonizing factors at any point and then apply it to them all.