What do you tell the Anti Freemason?

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by VinnyC, Jan 29, 2011.

  1. jwardl

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    You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, and have a broad idea of what to expect. To clarify, you will find no mention of Christ in lodge -- but this is NOT a denial of Christ as some would see it. Masonry as a fraternity neither endorses nor denies any specific faith, as it is neither our place nor intention to do so. We concern ourselves with being better mortals, improving ourselves and doing good deeds related to this plane of existence, in part by growing our spiritual selves. We are bound by the common elements of our faiths instead of being separated by the differences.

    In essence, we only encourage you to go to the airport; which flight you catch is your decision. :)
     
  2. Heirophant

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    Diplomacy Works. Remember to be civil and pleasant. Let him know that those rumours were found to be "FACTUALLY UNTRUE". I recommend you remind him that 90% of information-online concerning our Fraternity is false or twisted.
     
  3. jwhoff

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    That's why I get all my information from Wikipedia!
     
  4. Dave in Waco

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    I don't think Masonry became incompatible with Christianity as a few "leaders" in the Christian Community needed the own "adversaries" to "protect" their flock from. I often hear them using Isaiah 14:12 to damn Masons, and I laugh to myself at how well they personify the King of Babylon from the lesson of that passage.

    Of course I also get a laugh out of the fact, most of these "leaders" also got their Degree of Divinty from a school founded by Masons.
     
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  6. cemab4y

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  7. Scott J

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    A co-worker was telling me what a bunch of Devil worshipers I had joined and he was affraid for me. For the better part of a half hour he went on with this. Devil worshiping, comparing ourselves to Jesus.... The list goes on and on. Finally at the end I asked him one simple question. Why was I presented with a Holy Bible if we were a bunch of Devil worshipers? Can't wait to hear that answer.
    I told this co-worker that after he did his research, was a little more informed and a little less biased I would be glad to discuss what I could with him. And yes, I did get the "Well, you don't know because you are still a "low level" Mason." "Once you get to the higher levels they will tell you "all the secrets."

    Just remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It doesn't make it right but it is theirs. Some would rather belive the fairy tale than face the truth.

    It's really very simple, sheeple will belive anything that sounds plausible that they don't have to research themselves.
     
  8. LukeD

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    If I spent my day trying to argue my beliefs and principals, I would get nothing done. Anti Catholic, anti military, anti mason, anti gun, anti you name it. Unless I believe it is going to be an intelligent conversation or debate, I simply excuse myself, and go on about my business. If there is no mutual respect, 9 times out of 10 they are just trying to get you to loose your cool, and in the end nothing is accomplished.
     
  9. Traveling Man

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    It’s a waste of time trying to prove a negative; one would be better off presenting “positive proofâ€.
    It reminds me of the dilemma from pre-law: Do you still beat your wife? The answer given results in a preposterous summation; either I’m glad to see that you stopped beating your wife, or no, you still beat your wife?

    Brother Ed King has made an excellent site Masonic Info. dedicated to these type of clowns (as sighted in one of the responses).

    But to me this kind of dialogue reminds me of a parable I remember reading somewhere: about casting pearls before swine… VBG
     
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  10. cemab4y

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    There is no convincing these people. I have attended two Anti-Masonic conventions, one in St. Louis, and one in Atlanta. These people propagate all types of bizarre ideas. They said that the Shriners set up the children's hospitals, so that the Shriners could have access to the children for sexual abuse. They said that the Rainbow Girls, serve as prostitutes for the Masons. The Masons want to set up a one-world government. The Masons want to abolish the US economy, and the US Dollar, and set up a one-world currency. The Masons worship the Devil, in their lodge meetings. etc. etc.

    Masonry has traditionally declined to respond to these attacks, no matter how weird or absurd. Personally, I would like to see some of these wackos, hit with a libel suit, for publishing these lies. If they could be prosecuted under the federal RICO statutes, they could be liable for triple damages, three times the money they make publishing their tracts, and their videos.

    "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts" D. Patick Moynihan, former US Ambassador to the United Nations (not a Mason)
     
  11. Ceasare

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    Anti-Masonic conventions? Really? When and where?
     
  12. MikeMay

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    Hmmm....didn't know there were anti-masonic conventions...at least not since anti-masons were a political party back in the 1800's....
     
  13. cemab4y

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    There are several individual and groups around the USA, which are opposed to Freemasonry. Please see:

    http://masonicinfo.com/types.htm

    These individuals and groups sometimes meet to discuss their efforts. I attended one of their conferences in St. Louis in 1995, and one in Atlanta in 1996. They have speakers, and sell various audio tapes, videos, and books to each other.

    I wrote an article about their activities for the Scottish Rite Journal in 1995. Here are some of the web sites, for anti-Masons.

    www.emfj.org

    http://www.chick.com/information/religions/masonry

    http://www.saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry

    http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0193.asp

    http://www.authorstream.com/Present...sonry-spiritual-inspirational-ppt-powerpoint/
     
  14. Traveling Man

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  15. chancerobinson

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    [video=youtube;RfQzbtAdJsU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfQzbtAdJsU[/video]

    I have not read Brother Cooper's newest book, but I think his chosen label of Masonophobic is more appropriate than Anti-Mason.
    As for my answer to the original question of this post, I agree with the answer as given in the Charge to a new entered apprentice and quoted by others in this forum post "neither are you to suffer your zeal for the institution to lead you into argument with those who, through ignorance, may ridicule it."
     

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