Perhaps. I have difficulty discerning these things. Mostly I struggle with the burden of my defects. Ignorance was so much easier, perhaps that is why so many prefer it.Does not Soul or even Spirit shine through - showing that you have learned some of the genuine secrets?
By their fruits you shall know them.
...and darn lousy at keeping them too.No my brother we are a society with secrets
Interesting... without revealing any secrets whatsoever, can you recall any secrets, other than modes of recognition, that are things that you learned through your freemasonic training that could not find elsewhere?I think we are a society that teaches secrets.
Thank you! Beautifully stated too.Sure, I learned the true secret purpose of morality. Acting according to moral principles is a secret system that allows the the mind to live more fully in the present moment. It offers at least three important benefits. It reduces the accumulation of distracting and destructive emotions like regret, anger, and fear (somehow reminds me of EA). It frees the mind to find and focus on what is truly important (somehow reminds me of FC). It lessens the amount of anger and bitterness that people experience in their old age (somehow reminds me, well, you get the picture).
I'm not saying that you cannot learn these lessons anywhere else, just that I learned them here. When I looked elsewhere I got the mistaken idea that morality was all about being dead. It was in Freemasonry that I learned that morality is all about being alive.
Perhaps for some, although it is fairly simply for those who have the faculty to communicate concepts that are well thought out. If you truly did learn things through your freemasonic training that could not be found elsewhere, what would prevent you from communicating these things clearly and succinctly, other then an obligation to do so?coachn said: ↑
..things that you learned through your freemasonic training that could not find elsewhere?
JamestheJust said: This is a rather hard test ...
Ah, that is where we differ. Freemasonry is based upon Theater. The Premier Grand Lodge was put together as an excuse to host quarterly dinner parties. Ritual grew up by way of the demands for entertainment. The only hidden secret is the fact that we are thespians.JamestheJust said: ...as Freemasonry is based on the hidden Secrets of Nature and Science ...
Don't have to. It's an absolutely unsupported fantasy put forth by conjecture and wishful thinking.JamestheJust said: and they are revealed by Nature to the worthy. (Consider for example the unusual natural phenomena observed by Tesla or Schauberger.)
So, you believe Masonry and Freemasonry are the same thing. I do not.JamestheJust said: Still there are some secrets that may manifest more obviously in a Masonic context.
You are now getting into metaphor and allegory; all of which requires extensive and thorough training to interpret properly. Did you receive that specific training in a Regular and Recognize Lodge {and if so, which one(s)} OR was it merely something that was mentioned and you were left to your own devices to tend to the training on your own?JamestheJust said: These relate to the connection between the Masonic temple that extends from E to W and N to S and the nearest temple in the heavens.
Actually, no secrets are depicted anywhere upon anything, unless done so illegally. There might be some symbols put forth somewhere and members might assume that they depict secrets, but secrets are not depicted. You might gather though that secrets are "alluded to" in some depictions. But "to depict" would be a violation of one's Obligation.JamestheJust said: Some of these secrets are depicted in the EA TB and in HRA.
Another manifestation is the BS actively connected to irregular and unrecognized individuals spouting nonsense. I'll let you run with the allusion to the depiction.JamestheJust said: One manifestation is an active connection with the BS that can be seen attached to a few lodge buildings.
Interesting... without revealing any secrets whatsoever, can you recall any secrets, other than modes of recognition, that are things that you learned through your freemasonic training that could not find elsewhere?
It is tough for me to admit this because I do not believe in magic. But I have become aware that I am now experiencing the world in a way that most of the other people I know do not. Frankly, it has been a tough adjustment for me and I am not entirely comfortable or happy with the how it feels. I feel almost like Neo waking up from the Matrix. What does life consist of? The things that I used to believe were the most important things in life are starting to seem silly to me. It is like a newer, deeper reality is opening up before my eyes.Masonry has official secrets, but they can be looked up in the library. So even those modes are available elsewhere.
The unofficial secrets are mostly the sort that they can be shouted from the roof tops and they stay secret anyways because most don't listen, don't understand or similar.
It is tough for me to admit this because I do not believe in magic. But I have become aware that I am now experiencing the world in a way that most of the other people I know do not.
Yup, of course, such pearls are too often the very droppings you'd find coming from those swine.No doubt you recall the Biblical injunction about pearls.
I cannot stress enough how much I truly recognize the deep and fertile nature of your posts. Thanks for all you do to help hone this valuable ability.Life becomes ever more multi-threaded and parallel-processed - of which we may get glimpses in dreams.
Last year I remember being half-awake from a nap and while conscious that I was on the bed in my room I was also aware I was speaking to several people. I was explaining some technical matters and in the dream was using words that in this world I have never even heard and certainly do not understand. And yet it was obvious from my observation of the dream that there I was an expert in some technology that here I do not know even exists. The sequence lasted about a minute before I lost the connection and was fully back in this world.
My head was on a pillow and not on the mysterious porphyry stone - although now I think of it, there was an energetically mysterious bronze bust a short distance from my head at the time.
http://www.royalarkmarinersvic.net....e-Mysterious-Stone-of-Foundation-M-C-Kydd.pdf
Fertile Forsooth!It cannot have escaped your attention that I do not write for your benefit, but if you did benefit that would be a bonus.coachn said: ↑
I cannot stress enough how much I truly recognize the deep and fertile nature of your posts. Thanks for all you do to help hone this valuable ability.
I tell all my friends that I am a Freemason and I am often asked a question like "If Freemasonry is good why do you keep it a secret". .....