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Just a few concerns... or curiosities

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
I suppose the question was rhetorical. They obviously don't view it as a weakness. I'm trying to understand why.
Yes, and you have already indicated that you are not in control and hence there is no free-will behind your question and equally the capacity to accept a requirement without an answer that fits what controls you. See the game being played out here Derek. It is you that can't accept that a requirement exists that doesn't require a reason that fits your world view. No matter what the response, you're choosing not to see it for what it is: A choice that separates out believers from non-believers. It's a winnowing process that works toward the very end that is desired by those who join.
 
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Ressam

Guest
Gentlemen!
I've created a New Thread named -- "Causes of Crisis. The Time Game" in Philosophy/Religion Part.
But it had disappeared! Why? :(
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
Clearly it is for you. For most though, it is not complicated at all.

Furthermore, if you were sincerely contemplating joining the SR, you would have already known from the petition and before you posted here that you had to be a Blue Lodge member first.

You're trying to involve us in a conversation that is obviously premature.

So, what's your game Derek.
Brother hes mentioned in another thread that he petioned an irregular lodge. So its probably one of those john g jones SR clandestine deeelywops
 
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junae

Registered User
Hey Glen, I appreciate the response. I know yall probably hear people bring this up alot, and I'm not intending to be frivolous in asking it.

Clearly the question 'Do you believe in God?' is more complicated than simply 'Yes' or 'No'.
It shouldnt be a hard question, Do you love your Mom,Grandmom,kids's]ect... that is not hard to answer, you know deep down inside you, that just that you are questionong this seriously you may just be waiting to find the Proof, but, you think theirs one and Want their to be one, but, may have had to many hardships to think that nothing is watching over us. only Maybe..
 

Derek Barclay

Registered User
Furthermore, if you were sincerely contemplating joining the SR, you would have already known from the petition and before you posted here that you had to be a Blue Lodge member first.
I mispoke. I toured the Scottish Rite Temple in Dallas. I understand that the degrees involved with SR are extra and one must achieve or complete the first 3 degrees of "standard"? Masonry.

You're trying to involve us in a conversation that is obviously premature.
I'm really just trying to have a conversation - to see where it leads. I've already had a couple of lightbulbs go off. If we were speaking in person, I don't think I'd be pushing it because ya know, we all things to do. But this is a forum for talking about Freemasonry, so I figured it'd be okay.

So, what's your game Derek.
I've been sincere in everything I've said, John.

Moot point. It's neither the argument nor the issue.
But...it is the point... This is the topic of discussion.

Either choose or claim that you have something else choose for you because you are unable to do so for yourself.
It's both. I tried to explain that, but it's difficult to find the words.

See the game being played out here Derek. It is you that can't accept that a requirement exists that doesn't require a reason that fits your world view.
I really don't, John.
I'm not objecting to anything. I'm simply using these discussions as an opportunity to grow. Am I choosing to do so?... I do not know.

Brother hes mentioned in another thread that he petioned an irregular lodge.
I investigated a regular lodge first. After learning of the requirements for entry, I started investigating alternatives. I was accepted - though never went through initiation - into the order of La Droit Humain based out of Colorado Springs.

As in chevalier John Paul jones?
The Triquetra? :p

In the US any lodge that starts with SR is clandestine.
I thought SR stood for Scottish Rite.

It shouldnt be a hard question, Do you love your Mom,Grandmom,kids's]ect... that is not hard to answer, you know deep down inside you, that just that you are questionong this seriously you may just be waiting to find the Proof, but, you think theirs one and Want their to be one, but, may have had to many hardships to think that nothing is watching over us. only Maybe..
I thought I answered it to be honest. "Do you believe in a supreme being?" "I don't know."


Do yall think all human beings are fundamentally identical?
 

Derek Barclay

Registered User
One of the interesting aspects veiled by Jacob's Ladder is that there are various grades of mental substance.
I'm not particularly asking you to do so, but would it not be more effective to speak literally? If allegory is a veil, to speak in such a manner seems to allude to an intention to obscure truth. Can truth be found without allegory? Is all truth found or can it be made?

for example from grinding the teeth.
I almost started laughing while I read this because literally as I read the line my mother started grinding her teeth (something she does in her sleep). :)
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
I'm really just trying to have a conversation - to see where it leads. I've already had a couple of lightbulbs go off. If we were speaking in person, I don't think I'd be pushing it because ya know, we all things to do. But this is a forum for talking about Freemasonry, so I figured it'd be okay.
Sure, on the surface, it appears harmless, but I've experienced far too many of these types of gentle "let's throw a lot of other hot-button things into the mix" inquisitions to not recognize the subtle manipulations, the hidden agendas at play and the end game. You're playing a game and it is not a nice one.
Derek Barclay said:
What is about being atheistic that deems a man not good, or unable to be bettered? If nothing, why care? Why compartmentalize life?
coachn said:
Moot point. It's neither the argument nor the issue.
But...it is the point... This is the topic of discussion.
It is not the point. The point is entry requirements; it is not and never will be: 1) the goodness of non-believers, 2) inability of non-believers to be bettered, 3) compartmentalizing life. Bringing these into the "discussion" only clouds the issue. And you appear to be very good at clouding the issue to stir the pot of un-necessary discussion.
 

Derek Barclay

Registered User
the hidden agendas at play and the end game. You're playing a game and it is not a nice one.
I'm just talking about the nature of belief and the nature of nature. If there's a game being played I'm unaware. Can you not choose to disengage? I wish my text didn't sound dismissive or defensive because that's not my intent. Are you implying that I'm trying to draw something out of you? I am. Ideas.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
I thought SR stood for Scottish Rite.

Starts why I wrote that any lodge that *starts* with the SR is automatically clandestine in the US. In the US all jurisdictions trace their lineage to a point before French lodges designed the Scottish Rite. In the US the Scottish Rite is always in addition to, optional to and after the first three degrees.

In the US any jurisdiction that has the word Scottish in its name and conducts the first three degrees is clandestine. The three SR organizations in the US are not grand lodges. They are appendent bodies.

SR ritual books do have the first three degrees. Any US jurisdiction that uses these rituals or rituals derived from them are automatically clandestine.

In the US it depends on the local jurisdiction it presenting one of those first three degrees as an exhibition on a man who is already a Master Mason is allowed. Some states allow such exhibitions for educational purposes. Some states do not.

I thought I answered it to be honest. "Do you believe in a supreme being?" "I don't know."

Then you are not qualified to be adopted into our family.

Do yall think all human beings are fundamentally identical?

I'm with brother Coach N on this. By tossing such questions into the mix you have demonstrated that your motivations are those of an anti. You have been told in several ways why we require candidates to have faith but you have discarded those answers. Now you move directly on to other questions used by antis. Pass. I'll see if the ignore function is still available as soon as I have posted this message.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
I'm just talking about the nature of belief and the nature of nature.
Careful, you're justifying yourself and it's not accurate in appearance.
If there's a game being played I'm unaware.
Oh please, give it a break.
Can you not choose to disengage?
That's not the point though, is it?
I wish my text didn't sound dismissive or defensive because that's not my intent.
It's far more than these and it's obvious to anyone who has been around these forums. And your intent appears to be questionable.
Are you implying that I'm trying to draw something out of you? I am. Ideas.
No. I am not. I am stating from your meandering methods, you appear to not be what you profess and your stated goals appear to be out of unity with the manner to which you are engaging.
 

Derek Barclay

Registered User
I think that's just what the building is called - Scottish Rite Cathedral of Dallas. They have many lodges that meet there, and I think all of them are recognized by the GLoT.

I don't think yall are doing anything sinister. I really am just naive.

I'll leave it alone.
 
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Ressam

Guest
Do yall think all human beings are fundamentally identical?

Of course.
[Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren]
We are all same, on The Earth.
The God's Law is One for everyone.
Spiritual Development is -- same for all human beings.
 
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