Freemasonry needs to ditch 1950s attitudes

[pointwithinacircle2]

There is a reason that the remaining genuine secrets are veiled. What might that be?

It might be that the genuine secrets are true but not real. Now, that sentence may not make much sense, unless the actual meaning of the words 'real' and 'true' are veiled. Perhaps what is real is what can be seen around us and what is true is what we can know internally. Or it could all be bullmanure. Unless we can learn to separate our internal and external worlds into their component parts, and then recombine them according to our will we are unlikely to ever know. I have no idea if this is the correct answer but it sure sounds all mystical-ly, don't it.

 

[pointwithinacircle2]

>unless the actual meaning of the words 'real' and 'true' are veiled.

This is an issue that I struggled with until I had some inner experiences.

I too had some inner experiences. The problem with "inner experiences" is that the individual must interpret them by himself and according to whatever level of understanding they possess. So we are left with the three part problem of accurate assessment, adequate understanding, and correct interpretation.

It was too easy for me to assume which words in the ritual were veiled and which were literal. It was necessary for me to test my interpretations with direct experiences - for example by using what is veiled by the "working tools" in what is veiled by "a moral sense" to establish what is true to what.

Honestly, it is more likely that I understand what is veiled by the symbol "working tools" than by the symbol "moral sense". I find that a well grasped tool often does poor work if one does not know for what purpose one is using it.

 

[Ripcord22A]

>. Astrology might also be included.?

The only thing astrology does in the real world is give suburban white girls “super cute” tattoos.....

Don’t tell my wife i said that

 

[Warrior1256]

The only thing astrology does in the real world is give suburban white girls “super cute” tattoos.....

Don’t tell my wife i said that

Lol....agreed!

 

[Overworked724]

Darn it...and here I always thought those girly astrology tattoos hid a deeper meaning. So much for convincing my wife to get one...sigh.

 

[LK600]

I was sitting here reading this thread and it struck me how different my views are on things than others, including here.

jamesthejust... I much of the time love your slant on things but sometimes you appear to say something interesting and then stop in mid sentence. I'm not sure why.

imo... the argument of whether Freemasonry can trace it's roots back hundreds (thousands?) of years or if it was all made up is distracting. The knowledge, or maybe "that which was lost" supersedes Freemasonry and absolutely can be traced back thousands of years. Freemasonry is (one of) the vehicle to... not the end.

And lastly, since I believe the Bible is literal (though our interpretation may be skewed), I do believe that Moses parted the red sea, that Astrology is more than pretty symbols (not judging), and that hidden knowledge and mysticism are real (though most are charlatans).