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Head Covered

JohnnyFlotsam

Premium Member
Why do you ask?
BTW, in general, "Muslims" don't wear turbans. They are not required to wear any particular headgear. Perhaps you were thinking of members of the Sikh faith?
 

JTM

"Just in case"
Premium Member
i thought in texas it had to be a full brimmed hat.

Why do you ask?
BTW, in general, "Muslims" don't wear turbans. They are not required to wear any particular headgear. Perhaps you were thinking of members of the Sikh faith?

while not required, they are popular in the middle east, northeast african, and southwest asia... the sikh "turban" is a very specific kind of turban (actually a Dastar)
 
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Bro. Stewart P.M.

Lead Moderator Emeritus
Staff Member
I am with JTM on this one, I also was under the impression (at least in Texas) that the hat has to have a full brim.
 

ShadyGrove821

Registered User
It is my understanding that Sikhs never wear any headgear on top of their turbans. If a Sikh Mason were to be elected Master of a Texas Lodge, I would hope that the Grand Master would grant dispensation for him to preside wearing his turban only.
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
I am with JTM on this one, I also was under the impression (at least in Texas) that the hat has to have a full brim.

Art. 278. (New). Master Presiding “Covered.”

The ancient custom of the Master presiding “covered” must be complied with, except that the Brother presiding at Masonic funerals, memorial services, graveside services or during open meetings of the Lodge, may at his discretion, preside over such services and ceremonies uncovered. To be “covered” shall mean the wearing of a hat, and a hat is described as a head covering with a shaped crown and full circle brim. (Revised 1997)
 

JTM

"Just in case"
Premium Member
It is my understanding that Sikhs never wear any headgear on top of their turbans. If a Sikh Mason were to be elected Master of a Texas Lodge, I would hope that the Grand Master would grant dispensation for him to preside wearing his turban only.

this would make a lot of sense to me.
 

Papatom

Premium Member
Premium Member
Another question, esotric work requires the word GOD, how would he get around this?
 

QPZIL

Premium Member
I don't think a Muslim would have a problem using the word "God". In fact, that's exactly what "Allah" translates to. It is not a separate name or a separate entity. It's the same as saying "Dios" in Spanish, "Gott" in German, "Dieu" in French, "Elohim" in Hebrew, or "God" in English. It's all referring to the same Grand Architect of the Universe.

And if he believes in a monotheistic god that punishes vice and rewards virtue and has revealed his will to man; if he has the principles of Masonry in his heart... well, I have no problem calling him Brother.
 
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JTM

"Just in case"
Premium Member
Another question, esotric work requires the word GOD, how would he get around this?
if his religion has a veda as the volume of sacred law and he wants to say something else besides god, he's just fine to change it in the esoteric work, according to GLoT law.
 

bullrack33

Premium Member
If a Sikh Mason were to be elected Master of a Texas Lodge, I would hope that the Grand Master would grant dispensation for him to preside wearing his turban only.

I would hope for this too. Especially since Freemasonry encompasses all religions without prejudice. I fear however, that way to many of our brethren do not hold this to be true.

Another question, esoteric work requires the word GOD, how would he get around this?

I sincerely hope that I don't offend anyone by this but since Freemasonry encompasses all forms of religion, I personally believe that all references to Deity should be made through the phrase "Grand Architect Of The Universe".
 

JohnnyFlotsam

Premium Member
if his religion has a veda as the volume of sacred law and he wants to say something else besides god, he's just fine to change it in the esoteric work, according to GLoT law.

Excellent.
It's nice to know that, in this case at least, Masonic rules and regulations can't be used by some misguided brethren to exclude members of certain religions.
 

JTM

"Just in case"
Premium Member
Excellent.
It's nice to know that, in this case at least, Masonic rules and regulations can't be used by some misguided brethren to exclude members of certain religions.
we get people trying every year. aka, someone making an amendment so that only the king james version of the bible can be used on the altar as the VSL. wait... what? not only is someone trying to make it so that we can't have other books on there, it has to be their specific version? :: sigh ::
 

JohnnyFlotsam

Premium Member
we get people trying every year. aka, someone making an amendment so that only the king james version of the bible can be used on the altar as the VSL. wait... what? not only is someone trying to make it so that we can't have other books on there, it has to be their specific version? :: sigh ::

It is depressing, I grant you, but it is also an opportunity for understanding and, I suspect, teaching. I'd be quite keen to hear just why someone, and a Freemason in particular, would feel the need to discriminate so. I have my suspicions, but I'd genuinely like the hear it from the horses... mouth. Why should the language or required religious garb be used as a reason to abandon the use of the Level?
 

bullrack33

Premium Member
I'd be quite keen to hear just why someone, and a Freemason in particular, would feel the need to discriminate so. I have my suspicions, but I'd genuinely like the hear it from the horses... mouth.

I would be willing to bet that Thornton Lodge withdraws this proposal just like they did with the similar one they made last year.
 
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