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Do the Muslim's can become FM?

dfreybur

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If you have such reservations, how can you accept Muslim Freemasons?

Because I expect brothers to be mild in their practices and I see that actually happening. There are Christian brothers who state the Bible is true yet I don't see any of them stoning people who don't keep Kosher. Exactly where the limits are vary from brother to brother but combining depth of faith with Masonic lessons tends to make a man milder in how he reacts to others. I like to say that religion is good for the soul but because it feels good there's a temptation to overdose on it. The lessons of Masonry are very much a mellowing influence. When you want to say there should be more Masonry in men think about that. I say there are good reasons there should be more men in Masonry and this mellowing influence on religious practice is reason among many.
 

jwhoff

Premium Member
Muslims, like Christians and Jewish people are the Sons of Abraham. They all believe in the same creator. They are all monotheists and therefore, qualified to become free masons.

Private pics and quarrels are just that: PRIVATE. Brethren, we all know there are members of all three religions who send other sects of their own religion to hell for not crossing the same "t"s and dotting the very same "i"s.

Masonry, the spirit of masonry, is meant to overcome such narrow belief systems. Though, as we are all too familiar, there are members in masonry who just can't get past those pics and quarrels.

We must all know by now: there are weak links in every chain.
 

zog_2112

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Funny you ask that. I was at a double initiation the other day. 2 Muslim brothers. There father was there as well :) nothing in the ritual was changed either


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Lyric'sMaster

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Yea dear Zog, i am colecting informations from experienced bro's, my question dosent mean anything wrong, just i am courious to know much about fm, coz i plane to give interview for sun, so any information is helpful, is not shame to make a question, is shame to not having idea what u do... much i learn is more support to me... anyway do not take this reply so personaly, coz we Albanians are like a jews, we must know every thing, every step must make clear... Thakns for Good understanding...

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zog_2112

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There is actually a lodge about 4.5 hrs from where I live in Australia which is a Muslim lodge. Very fancy lodge I'm thinking of visiting one of there ceremonies in 2 weeks.


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James F Jackson

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So my question is simple: "Do the peopple who belong to Islamic religion also can become a FM?"
Please amswer without ofending...

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As history indicates they are a major part of the Masonic Foundation so i would hope they are able to travel freely....

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Bro_Vick

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So my question is simple: "Do the peopple who belong to Islamic religion also can become a FM?"
Please amswer without ofending...

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Freemasonry has no discriminators regrading religion, just that you have to believe in a supreme being, but makes no other distinctions.

Generally it is more of a Mosque leader or specific religion that has a problem with Freemasonry, just like with Catholics. We don't care if you are catholic or not, the catholic church has a far greater problem with us (which has been beaten to death in another thread).

There are Persian lodges in D.C and other areas where the dominant membership consist of Muslims and conduct their business in Farsi. There are also lodges in Syria which are constituted with the majority of their membership as being Muslims. I say this as I am sure there are a million and one responses of "I sat in lodge with a Muslim once."

The bigger consideration for a Muslim man wanting to join Freemasonry is how accepting is his immediate family/community going to be of that choice. Will there be negative repercussions from that choice, will he be able to continue with no negative impacts on said relationships?

Men have discussed here that their respective churches asked them to leave Freemasonry, or refusal of communion because of the choice of becoming a Freemason. So I don't mean the above as a slight against Islam, but realize that men here have faced adversity from their choice in joining our great fraternity, both in their church and community.

It would serve you better to think of it that way, than whether we would accept you as a Muslim, because at least any lodge I sit in, you would be accepted.

S&F,
-Bro Vick
 
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BryanMaloney

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Because I expect brothers to be mild in their practices and I see that actually happening. There are Christian brothers who state the Bible is true yet I don't see any of them stoning people who don't keep Kosher.

If they did, they would violate the New Testament, specifically the decisions made by the Apostles in Acts Chapter 15. Anyone who would maintain that Christians are obliged to kill over dietary practices merely shows off ignorance regarding what is actually in the Christian Bible.

Of course, this doesn't stop anti-Christians, particularly politically-motivated anti-Christians, from claiming that the whole Mosaic law is "supposed to" apply to all Christians. Gee, sounds like political anti-Muslim practices, doesn't it?
 

Lyric'sMaster

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at all the quran says respect every religion, if sm muslim speake about christians, catholic's, jews etc. bad he is out of his order like a muslim, he is not respectet by the religion, but there out are very much sects like talibans or what i know who are giving wrong audiction for quran, even fm is spoken in quran, u can imaginate there says: they will come with a lot of secrets, but will come a day that all secrets will be more no hiden, and will be a lot of them with greate power in earth... i think before 1.400 years ago is writed,
and there is sayin that muslims must leave them to do work, to leave them to make orders free... thos muslims who are anti religious, are not muslims they are sects... sry about reply, not takin personal, i just wana say that in islam not exist such a critical fact that is anti religious or what else... so thanks for understanding
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jwhoff

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That happens under any oppressive regime so it's not the Islam part that's to blame. It's the fundamentalism part. There are Christian fundamentalist sects that ban their members from Masonry. You name the religion and it's possible to find fundies in it that cause problems so it's not unique to the JCI family either.

Some Masons like to claim Masonry is descended by the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar were wiped out by religious leaders and secular leaders merging their powers improperly and taking those powers much too far. That's very much a parallel situation to modern Masonry being persecuted by modern religious leaders and secular leaders merging their powers improperly and taking those powers much too far.

Atheist dictators do the same. Again the problem is not with a religious choice but with authorities becoming oppressive and abusive.

No truer words have ever been spoken. Zealots, no matter the slant, are oppressive and abusive. Be they of Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other religious belief. The same goes with political zealots, no matter the persuasion.

And, it is my belief, that you cannot blame an entire group of people by the thoughts and actions of such people. As masons, we should stand against such oppression and abuse. Brethren ... this is why they despise us. It's our badge of courage.
 

Lyric'sMaster

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Islam is very specific religion it learn us to belive in supreme power, demons, angels, god, magic, and everything of that cind, it also teach us to be perfectful, caracteristic, respected, free, and to respect any religion and racr, but for bad luck sm people are using religion to make trubles and that is giving to islam bad face, not good, so there is everything learned what asks fm we know much about supreme being, craft, work, respect, inteligence etc... thats sm details... :)

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Michael Neumann

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at all the quran says respect every religion, if sm muslim speake about christians, catholic's, jews etc. bad he is out of his order like a muslim, he is not respectet by the religion, but there out are very much sects like talibans or what i know who are giving wrong audiction for quran, even fm is spoken in quran, u can imaginate there says: they will come with a lot of secrets, but will come a day that all secrets will be more no hiden, and will be a lot of them with greate power in earth... i think before 1.400 years ago is writed,
and there is sayin that muslims must leave them to do work, to leave them to make orders free... thos muslims who are anti religious, are not muslims they are sects... sry about reply, not takin personal, i just wana say that in islam not exist such a critical fact that is anti religious or what else... so thanks for understanding
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You are correct in your statement that the Quran states that a true follower respects those of opposing beliefs. Having worked in Kuwait, Iraq, and now Afghanistan I can tell you first hand that Islam is now just as peaceful as any other religion (Like the Christian Inquisition it has been turbulent http://www.teii.org/islam-mormonisi...ding-600-900-jewish-men-of-the-qurayza-tribe/) . Unfortunately the few trouble makers are causing such issues that they make Islam look bad. If the more peaceful and proper followers of the faith would stand against the fanatics then it would solve many of the worlds current issues.

To answer your question, yes followers of Islam are welcome in the lodge.
 
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Lyric'sMaster

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You are correct in your statement that the Quran states that a true follower respects those of opposing beliefs. Having worked in Kuwait, Iraq, and now Afghanistan I can tell you first hand that Islam is now just as peaceful as any other religion (Like the Christian Inquisition it has been turbulent http://www.teii.org/islam-mormonisi...ding-600-900-jewish-men-of-the-qurayza-tribe/) . Unfortunately the few trouble makers are causing such issues that they make Islam look bad. If the more peaceful and proper followers of the faith would stand against the fanatics then it would solve many of the worlds current issues.

To answer your question, yes followers of Islam are welcome in the lodge.

Thanks for youre meaning, i just recived today e-Mail from G.LM (Grand lodge of Macedonia) they said me i must make an presentation and please for to cocure or to find any brother to garante for me... so momently ill wait ill just will send an e-Mail with personal informations so till than ill must find a brother to help me...

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Michael Neumann

Premium Member
Thanks for youre meaning, i just recived today e-Mail from G.LM (Grand lodge of Macedonia) they said me i must make an presentation and please for to cocure or to find any brother to garante for me... so momently ill wait ill just will send an e-Mail with personal informations so till than ill must find a brother to help me...

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I have a few friends in the Balkins, I will ask around for you as well.
 

Warrior1256

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That happens under any oppressive regime so it's not the Islam part that's to blame. It's the fundamentalism part. There are Christian fundamentalist sects that ban their members from Masonry. You name the religion and it's possible to find fundies in it that cause problems so it's not unique to the JCI family either.
Very true. I attend a Free Methodist church. The Free Methodist organization frowns on Masonry but the pastor at my church is O.K. with it.
 
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