Candidate unbecoming

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Radical540, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. Radical540

    Radical540 Registered User

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    In MI, we don't have such verbiage.
     
  2. Radical540

    Radical540 Registered User

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    Do tell.....
     
  3. Companion Joe

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    I have never heard of us having any provision for a trial at a candidate's request. There might be one; I have just never heard of it. For us, as I said, one single objection is the equivalent to one single black cube. If I member says "I object" when the question is asked, then that's the end of it; you close the lodge and go home. I've honestly never seen that happen in open lodge. If you have an objection to a candidate's advancement, take care of it in private with the WM, and then he doesn't have to schedule the man's next degree conferral. To do it in open lodge, in my opinion, would simply be grandstanding.
     
  4. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    I agree that for a candidate for advancement, that would be the better means of approaching it.
     
  5. CLewey44

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    This is what I'd do if he gets voted proficient as a FC and then ultimately raised. Check into some T.O. lodges. They seem to have more strict entrance requirements.
     
  6. flipster

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    "Among whom no enmity should ever exist" I would suggest you be careful to not sully your own good reputation with concern for the character flaws of the brother. All seasoned brothers on this board have dealt with difficult brothers, or been the subject of concern by a difficult brother. I would suggest patience. And don't let the man's father-in-law issues become your issues. You will be best served to be the best man you can be. Good luck.
     
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  7. JJones

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    Easier said than done in some jurisdictions. You have to have three black balls in Texas do be denied.
     
  8. Radical540

    Radical540 Registered User

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    In MI, one will do it.

    Unfortunately since the vote was snuck in on the sneak, I wasn't given a ballot.
     
  9. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    How is this possible? We vote on candidates during open lodge here. If you are a member of the lodge, you must vote to the best of my knowledge. Unless you were not at that meeting.
     
  10. Radical540

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    Exactly...I wasn't at the meeting. I just happened to go to Royal Arch that night, and missed the balloting (I almost think they did it on purpose)
     
  11. Bloke

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    Was the required notice given ? Here, members are invited to write to the Grand Sec in confidence to object.
     
  12. Pscyclepath

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    As Companion Joe said, at the beginning of each degree, the second phrase from the Master is "...if there are no objections..." Any objection (you must be a member in good standing of that lodge) shuts the proceeding down, cold turkey. That's good for at least one shot, the objection only stands month to month, and on the second shot you need to be ready to justify yourself to the Master. In the same manner, if a candidate doesn't pass his proficiency and present himself for advancement within 6 mos. of his election or last degree, he must pass the ballot box again. If rejected, he can reapply the following month, hopefully after having gotten himself straightened out. And here (AR) EA's and Fellowcrafts are still subject to Masonic discipline for violations of their obligation, or of Grand Lodge law. We are a 1-ball jurisdiction, so it only takes one to reject at any point along the way.
     
  13. GKA

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    We are experiencing the same thing at my home lodge, a certain brother transfered from another lodge and is now hell bent on showing us how we should do things, he has caused much tension and even has been caught in more than a few lies, he continues to stir up trouble among the brethren but he has a small following of like minded zelots
    So far three brothers have stopped attending, and when confronted with this fact he just says, " good riddance"
    I have decided to leave myself because his activities are intolerable, The remaining brothers are afraid to confront him and the pressure from GL reps are no help because they are only interested in keeping the issue from ending up with charges filed.
    It is a hopeless situation
     
  14. Companion Joe

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    GKA,
    I would find a way to remedy that situation in a heartbeat, either through Masonic protocol or a more frank discussion out behind the woodshed. I don't know if there is anything in this world that infuriates me more than someone riding in and telling me how great it was where they were previously. I'm all for new ideas and approaches to things, but this guy sounds like he making demands instead of offering suggestions ... especially if you say some new guy is running off people who have been there long before him. We recently had a situation where I was on a Masonic committee with a guy who had been a MM for about 6 months. I had done this dozens of times, and it was his first. He piped up with a "you're not doing it right." I guess he saw mushroom clouds in my eyes because he quickly decided it was time to be quiet and listen. Don't come to my lodge, my work, my town, my state, or my country and tell me where you left was better; I will tell that person that I'm positive the road that got them here has a lane going back the other direction. (end of rant ;))
     
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  15. Browncoat

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    This has all the earmarks of the "we've always done it this way" mentality written all over it.

    No one likes a know-it-all, be it the veteran or the newbie. But maybe, just maybe, there's a chance that there is a new/better/different way of doing things and it's worth hearing the guy out. I mean, if you've been beating your head against a wall for 10 years and someone comes along and offers you a helmet, you might want to stop banging and listen. Just some food for thought.
     
  16. Companion Joe

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    I don't have a problem with that earmark in some instances. There is a huge difference between offering suggestions and saying "good riddance" the way GKA described. Suggestions are good. Demands are bad.

    As for the end of my post, Masonry has nothing to do with it. Don't ask to be invited to a party then tell the host that your cousin's party is better.
     
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  17. dfreybur

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    Only 1 of my 3 jurisdictions says that in the degrees. Still, if you have an objection to a candidate, say so to the WM in private. If they ignore you, put it in writing to the WM and the GM including reference to your having been ignored the first time.
     
  18. JJones

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    I've always been told that a MM can enter a protest on an EA or FC with the WM and halt his progression for a time here in Texas. It's probably nothing though, I've never seen it in the law book to my recollection.
     
  19. Warrior1256

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    Agreed, I don't like demands either.
     
  20. Bill Lins

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    Check Articles 421-429.
     
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