Free born vs Slavery

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by pha, Oct 8, 2009.

  1. pha

    pha Premium Member Premium Member

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    Good to be able to post again, been very busy, in an effort to help some of our Brother's with the age old problem of Prince Hall Mason's not being free born, if we will recall during the Slavery era many a Child was born to Enslaved parent's, but that child was born FREE, he or she had to be taught to be a Slave, made to believe and to realize by their surrounding's that they were inferior, no one is born anything except what they are by gentic's ..ie color, ethnicity, height, we are taught to be what ever we turn out to be, weather it be by force, parent's choice or circumstance or surrounding, and by the way the African American is not the only race of people to suffer such misfortune (by the way I am African American) there have been other race's that suffered injustice's, People (Brothers) like us that are a part of this GREAT FORUM WILL SHAPE OUR NEXT GENERATION, let us not take this obligation Lightly, Brother Blake may not know it just yet but let me be one of the first to say that he is on the CUTTING EDGE of that Change
     
  2. owls84

    owls84 Moderator Premium Member

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    This is a great topic. I have personally argued this same topic with uneducated members. My response to confusing slavery with free born was, "through out time most, if not, all of the cultures have been a slave as some point in history. Why whould you single out one period in history without going all the way throughout history?" That pretty much shot down the persons arguement.

    Great topic!!!
     
  3. TCShelton

    TCShelton Founding Member Premium Member

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    Thanks for that PHA. I've had that talk as well. The list does go on. Jews were held by the Egyptions, Saxons were bondsmen to the Normans, conquered Germanic tribes to the Romans, etc.
     
  4. TCShelton

    TCShelton Founding Member Premium Member

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    And PHA, Brothers like you being a part of this forum is what allows it to be on the cutting edge. Thanks for being here and being an active poster. We need more like you on here, that is for sure.:peace:
     
  5. Wingnut

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    Welcome back and great post! Times are changing just not as fast as most of us would like. I would respectfully make the argument however that, at least in the south during the times of slavery, children born of slaves were considered slaves and were treated as such.
     
  6. TCShelton

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    ..And we forgot about the concept of serfdom, which was prevalent in fuedal society back in the Middle Ages. I daresay most of us fall into that category, and serfs most definitely were bondsmen.
     
  7. Sirius

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    To me this is a code. If you here someone say you're not freeborn because you're descended from slaves, look out.
     
  8. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    It is all in our minds. Great post and it cannot be said enough, God does not make slaves, men do so no one is created a slave they can only be made one.
     
  9. Wingnut

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    free·born
    Pronunciation: \ˈfrē-ˈbȯrn\
    Function: adjective
    Date: 13th century

    1 : not born in vassalage or slavery
    2 : of, relating to, or befitting one that is freeborn

    the last known slave died in 1979 at 137 years old and slavery ended on Dec 6, 1865 (officially). Saying a man is not freeborn because his great great grandfather may have been a slave is, without any doubt, bastardizing a word to suit the racist motives of the person doing so.
     
  10. TCShelton

    TCShelton Founding Member Premium Member

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    +1.
     
  11. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

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    Amen!
     
  12. HKTidwell

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    I would like to point out that slavery is still present in today's world society. Even in the US you hear of criminal cases involving it, while they are limited and happen only once every 5-10 years it still occurs. In other areas of the world slavery is alive and well. This behavior should be abhorred and made into extinction, but it is a disease that is still in existence.

    This is not in reference to the bastardizing of the word. I was more just commenting on the fact that this practice is still in existence.
     
  13. Sirius

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    I think they are more common. Except they don't call is slavery, they call it kidnapping. Think about that girl who was taken at age 8(?) and they recently found her at almost 30 with two kids by the guy that took her. She was his slave. Not to mention all of the girls brought in the US for forced prostitution. Those poor girls are slaves too.
     
  14. HKTidwell

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    You are probably right I was pulling times out of the air and had not even thought about that case.
     
  15. JTM

    JTM "Just in case" Premium Member

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    lol, i'm glad you made this post. people are so skittish around "sensitive" subjects like this, and that leads to an overall distrust towards each other. keeping it out in the open like this is a much better way to deal with it. This subject needs more light, in my opinion.

    i think I could like this guy.
     
  16. Wingnut

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    Very true comments, I was however keeping it restricted to what I thought the original post was referring too: using the word freeborn as a reason that a man of color can not be made a mason.
     
  17. pha

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    First LET ME thank every brother for their comment's, I can not explain the feeling I get from this great fraternal order of ours, thanks for the nomination of my post, But be reminded that only the freedom that this forum promotes inspired my thought's and provided me the opportunity to share them, I thank you all and continually look forward to being a part of the MASONS OF TEXAS.
     
  18. RedTemplar

    RedTemplar Johnny Joe Combs Premium Member

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    IMHO, this subject along with many others is why Freemasonry will continue to exist and flourish. As long as time lasts and man has personal and societal challenges, Freemasonry will be there to fill the voids.
     
  19. scottmh59

    scottmh59 Registered User

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    +2:17:
     
  20. Scotty32

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    Thanks pha.
    I am going to use that to read one night.
     

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