Gay Men in Masonry

Discussion in 'Masonic Jurisprudence' started by CLewey44, Dec 24, 2016.

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Should gay men be allowed to join Masonry?

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  2. No

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  1. GKA

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    You need to cite references when you make a comment like this
     
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  2. Warrior1256

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    Absolutely!!!
     
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  3. tldubb

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    I wouldn't.


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  4. Ripcord22A

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  5. tldubb

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    Having a gay lodge brother or gay man petition a lodge. I'm heterosexual, but what business is it of anyone what two consenting adults do behind closed doors.


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  6. Ripcord22A

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    Just curious cause there were 2 questions that countered each other....but im with ya bro

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  7. Warrior1256

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    Same here.
     
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  8. Glen Cook

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    Without addressing the underlying issue, but only the rationale---we do inquire as to what occurs behind closed doors. Many jurisdictions limit the conduct between a Master Mason and another Master Mason's wife, even if consenting. I have seen a PGM suspended for just this conduct.
     
  9. tldubb

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    Well, my answer was not to anything contrary to the Ob that we take. We only ask the constitutional questions that are required in my jurisdiction. Sleeping with another brothers wife, daughter..etc, is violation of you OB. So, to clarify I meant two consenting adults, that's not in violation of your OB.


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  10. LK600

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    Are you referring to Tantra and/or a path to the super-conscious? This school is very much Pagan in nature regardless what one or two Yogi's (and Dan Brown) will tell you. I'm very interested in your thoughts behind your post.
     
  11. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    Guess there are a lot of unmasonic marriages out there, then.
     
  12. Keith C

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    I was thinking the same thing. My Son-in-Law was thinking about petitioning, if this is the case I better warn him off.
     
  13. tldubb

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    Lol


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  14. Warrior1256

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    ***snicker snicker***
     
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  15. MasterBulldawg

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    I would say this is a issue that should be left up to the local Lodge unless there's a Grand Lodge rule or edict against it. But having said that it must also be pointed out that just because man meets the minimum qualifications to join the lodge doesn't mean he should automatically be admitted to Lodge. Freemasonry is not for everybody.

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  16. CLewey44

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    I agree. I think if a person has poor character, zero class, bad person or whatever, they can definitely get black-balled. However, I don't think because someone is gay they should get black-balled. If they come in dressed like they've been at a rave all night, they probably would not be eligible to join. But if they respectfully visit our lodge, look presentable, I wouldn't even care one way or the other who he loved or was attracted to. I think if that is something that can get you black-balled or disqualified with joining, it should be on the petition. But then again, how can we expect to be accepted if we are not accepting of others ourselves. It is not for everyone and I have no reason to believe that overly effeminate, obnoxious, disrespectful gay men are beating down our lodge doors to join. Just as there are not douchey, obnoxious disrespectful straight guys doing the same. We expect our new members to be well rounded men that have respect for the institution. Now what they do outside of lodge, as long as it's lawful, is none of my concern whatsoever and Masonry would be delving too far into politics if they suddenly took a stance on the matter.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    Totally agree. I just don't think that being gay in and of it's self should be a disqualifier.
     
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  18. MasterBulldawg

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    I believe in having a strong Westgate if the local lodges do their job and protect the Westgate and only let in men that are worthey then things are fine. I'm tired of lodges taking the in men that meet the minimum qualifications and that have the cash in hand only to add members of the sake of adding to membership. It should be quality not quantity that matters. And if a gay man is found worthy then that is fine. But I do not agree that just because a man is gay he should automatically get a pass to join if he wants to because we do not want to look as if we're homophobic he should have to be held to the same standards as anybody else and be found worthy to join.

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  19. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    Just a reminder...

    At least in the Grand Jurisdiction that I reside (Texas), the question of sexual relationship preference is NOT on the petition for election.

    Until the subject becomes such an "issue" that it be included with the basic questions that include "crimes of moral turpitude", "belief in Higher Power", then we can not discriminate, dictate, nor discipline potential members or members relating to their bedroom behavior.

    The larger question, do WE really want to pose this question upon petitions for election? Does being homosexual make a person truly unworthy as a person or Brother? In a time where we are all battling the "old guard" and pushing to remove walls and build bridges, this would certainly in my opinion force us two steps backwards as a Fraternity.


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  20. CLewey44

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    I don't think anyone is saying a gay man should get a pass on meeting requirements, brother. Quality over quantity? I couldn't agree more, sir.
     
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