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  1. Glen Cook

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    ummm, the KJV isn’t a Christian Bible??? It is rather the accepted Christian Bible.
     
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  2. Glen Cook

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    1. Where do you get your information that Caodism was based on Masonic teachings or that the founders were Freemasons in the Philippines?
    2. Where do you get your information that most other religions were founded on Masonic teachings?
    3. Where do you get your information that Vietnam is predominantly RC rather than Buddhist?
    4. About five minutes of research would show that English speaking Freemasonry does not require one to be Christian. Where did you get that idea?
     
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  3. Glen Cook

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    I said one can become a 32 within four months of becoming a Mason. As no state GL has 90 degrees, that would either be a lie or he was a member of a clandestine group.

    I don’t know what low degrees are. I don’t know what that sentence even means it is so poorly constructed. That said, I find Freemasonry to be quite inexpensive. For many Lodges, annual dues are the cost of a pair good running shoes, and less than a Starbucks coffee per day. I do not view Freemasory as a spiritual path.
     
  4. Howard Giang

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    Thanks CLewey44, religiously, I don’t have any issue. In my heart I knew I can be a good Mason because I believe in a God and worship God.
     
  5. Howard Giang

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    1) I googled caodaist and freemasonry.
    http://www.themasons.org.nz/ruahine/march13/dao.pdf
    2) Caodaist, Mormonism, Scientology, and other Orders and Lodges of Fraternities including college fraternities.
    3) Actually, I was comparing Catholic versus Non-Catholic Christian denomination. If we to evaluate basesd on “religious institutions” exclusively, Catholic is predominant based on the system of identifiable. Yet, it is true that when asking what religion a person with given only limited choices of major religions like Buddhist, Catholic, or Islam, most Vietnameses would identify as Buddhist. I would too. The majority population of Vietnameses observe or practice 3 main influence called “Tam Giao”; Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism. However, if you were to evaluate among these 3 categories in term of religious institution with hierarchy positions, Caodaist and Catholic are predominant in and outside of Vietnam. It is hard to explain with typing on an iPhone, but both Caidaist and Catholic are a threat to Vietnamese government. If not they will. I googled all my information.
    4) I don’t think I have ever said a person must be a Christian to be a Mason. I don’t know that. I went on Amazon to buy a used KJV Masonic Bible (light blue color). It is very much part of Christian Bible. Anyhow, you should be telling that. You know more about Freemasonry than I am. John S. 32 degrees ex-Mason claimed that Catholic cannot be a Mason. I was just referred information from certain sources. I don’t make up information. If it is my opinion on anything, I would notify as in my opinion and not fact.

    Judge Cook, I have a really good question. Do you want me to be a Freemason?
     
  6. Howard Giang

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    Goomba provided a link that explains that Bill accomplishments don’t make sense. I think 90 degrees was a mockery of from crawling to walking upright. I don’t view Freemasonry as a religious institution but rather a religious fraternity that can be an alternative to all religions exclusively. We might basically saying the same thing.
     
  7. Glen Cook

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    The link disputes the majority of your statements, other than that a number of the founders were members of differing branches of Freemasonry. It was interesting.

    You assert without foundation that most other religions were founded on Masonic teachings. However, you then name only three modern era faiths, and err as to each.

    You appear to agree that most Vietnamese are not Catholic.

    You started: “I am not a baptized Christian that might be considered incompatible with Freemasonry.”

    The Masonic version of the KJV just adds some non-scriptural pages about the fraternity and for signatures. I think we are in agreement that the KJV is Christian.

    The Catholic Church as an institution does prohibit Freemasonry for its members. I think you can search for discussions in this forum. Local Catholic clerics may not have a problem with the fraternity. The fraternity does not prohibit Catholics.

    I can accept that you don’t make things up intentionally. However, I’m not sure you understand all that you read or that your recollection of it is not confused, as seen in the link you provided.

    You are not in my jurisdictions. I have no vote as to whether you should be a Freemason. Further, and perhaps more importantly, I do not know you. I’ve not even met you. The investigation process requires more than what one reads in a discussion forum.
     
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  8. Glen Cook

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    I assure you, I do not believe Freemasonry is an alternative to religion.
     
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  9. Howard Giang

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    I am not religious expert. However, I most if not all religions borrowed some symbolic elements from each other e.g an altar, ritual, and funeral rites that can be quite similar to Masonic.
    Most of Vietnameses have an altar in their homes. They were once time being accused of worshipping ancestors. An unknown period of time, they included and incorporated various deities such as various Buddhas, Legends, and Warriors. Many of these followers eventually elevated their deities to the status of Gods. In my opinion, they were not uniformity but rather paramagnetic among themselves.
    Caodaist and Catholic are more uniformity and hierarchical structure.
    Anyway, we are basically agreed more than disagreed.
    One thing, Bill 90 degree ex-Mason, he is more sincere than others ex-Mason because you can see a sense of bitterness in them. Now, I think Bill S. may not have been a Freemason because it appears he has no ax to grind against Masonry.
     
  10. Glen Cook

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    You are changing the playing field. You first stated that most other religions were were founded on Masonic teachings. You now state that religions borrowed from one another and can be similar to Masonic ritual. Different issues.
    No, I disagree with the majority of your statements.
     
  11. Howard Giang

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    I accepted your disagreement.
    Again, I cannot refer to most religions that formed before 1717. I had to refer to religions formed after Masonry. If I referred to religions that formed before 1717 then Masonic elements may be borrowed from other religions.
     
  12. Glen Cook

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    Why did you pick 1717?
     
  13. Howard Giang

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    Individually our beliefs are subjective in nature. It is collectively are more important and inline. In fact, your belief does coincide with John S. 32 degree ex-Mason. He said he had a definitive truth. I don’t know but if there is a probability that he is right then you also could be right that Freemasonry is indeed not an alternative but rather Catholicism probably is. I am still not sure. You have to convince me otherwise.
     
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    My research and study showed that Freemasonry Grand Lodge was formed 1717 in England; however, I think it found earlier than that. Even so, most religions that I referred to were formed after 1700. Islam were founded in 500 after Christianity. I am not sure the exact date. Again I don’t know much more than you, and I accept learning from you and others.
     
  15. goomba

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    This is a ball of crazy. Feels like we're being had. As they say on Shark Tank, I'm out.

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  16. Glen Cook

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    No. My belief in no way coincides with that person’s beliefs. He asserts Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity, and puts forth various lies to support this. I believe Christianity is compatible with Freemasonry, and do not lie. Opposite views. This would be an example of your difficulty understanding what you read. To be fair, much of what you write I do not understand.

    My statement was that I do not believe Freemasonry is an alternative to religion, contrary to your assertion that we were in agreement on this issue. I really do not need to convince you of my belief.
     
  17. Warrior1256

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    Absolutely!
    Lol...I know what you mean.
     
  18. Warrior1256

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    Uh, yep....that's what I was taught.
    Absolutely!
     
  19. dfreybur

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    Exactly. It takes a lot for me to ad someone to my Ignore list on this forum, but having a small number of accounts in my list makes the forum experience much better.
     
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  20. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    LOL!
     

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