One black ball?

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Mac, Jul 19, 2011.

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Should one black ball be all it takes to reject a candidate?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. AaronSawyer

    AaronSawyer Registered User

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    I do tend to agree that a single black ball gives far too much power to the individual at the expense of the fraternity.
     
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  2. Ripcord22A

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    In Oregon if only on black cube then the WM directs the SD to destroy the ballot and orders the lodge to vote again. If a black cube appears again then he announces the result.
    If on the first vote 2 or more black cubes appear then thats it.
     
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  3. Levelhead

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    Florida is one black cube and then a re ballot to make sure it wasnt a mistake.
     
  4. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    That's the way it is here in Kentucky.
     
  5. MaineMason

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    "Is it clear in the South?" "Is it clear in the West?". If it's not clear it is up to the WM for a revote.
     
  6. MaineMason

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    One casting a black cube in a lodge under the jurisdiction of the
    Grand Lodge of Maine can be punished by suspension or expulsion if it's done with animus.
     
  7. Levelhead

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    I doubt you will know who did it . But i guess if you know the person or they told you they were going to cast a black cube?
     
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  8. MaineMason

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    It is my understanding that a second vote may be taken but if a MM casts a black cube and reneggs his vote could become the subject of inquiry ONLY if he admits to it. It's pretty strict. If you cast a black cube, you'd better have a good reason for it.
     
  9. MaineMason

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    Better than that, one should have a conversation with the CI beforehand.
     
  10. MaineMason

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    I'd also say that Jews and African Americans are welcome in our lodge and by law by our Grand Lodge.
     
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  11. MarkR

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    I keep asking, what about the brother who knows something about the petitioner that he absolutely cannot discuss with anyone without bringing considerable embarrassment to himself or a loved one? What's the point of a secret ballot if one is required to reveal how he voted and why?
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    Same here in Kentucky.
     
  13. Warrior1256

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    I agree. If it is something that I would consider too personal or too embarrassing to the prospective candidate I would keep it to myself and cast the black ball or cube.
     
  14. Ripcord22A

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    Well if a brother knows something about the Petitioner that will bring embarassment to himself(the Brother), that to me means that he was involved in someway in that thing that he knows about. If he can be a mason, why cant the Petitioner?
     
  15. admarcus1

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    That's kind of my point. Welcome by law, but the single black ball could be used as a veto that renders the law meaningless. It only takes a single bigot.
     
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  16. admarcus1

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    I can think of a number of situations where someone wrongs somebody else, and the victim is embarrassed that it happened. If you are a victim of a scam, physical or sexual assault. The person may have victimized someone you know, but that person doesn't want the information shared - unfortunately there can still be stigma associated with being a victim.
    You may also know the person to be a complete a-hole, liar, or what have you, but you know the person through something you want to keep private. Maybe through group therapy, or AA, or a local Dungeon and Dragons club.

    Ideally, one should be able to completely trust the WM, or any other Mason, to keep your secrets (per their obligation), but Masons are people, and people make mistakes. In addition, even if you trust the WM to keep the secret, you may be afraid of being judged by the WM. Being a Mason or a WM does not cure us of all our biases and prejudices. There are things about myself and experiences I've had that I might not share.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    I totally agree. We have the one black ball rule here in Kentucky and I am happy with it.
     
  18. Zack

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    I know a couple that got their "virginity" back. At least they act that way.
     
  19. JJones

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    I'd be able to keep that bigot out in the first place if my single black ball meant anything. :p
     
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  20. MaineMason

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    If we had bigots in my lodge or in my chapter, or in the DeMolay Chapter for which I am a trained Dad Advisor, I would wouldn't be a Mason. I'm gay. I'm a line officer. No one gives a good damn. Not in my lodge. They know ME, that's all they care about. I could have been blackballed. I wasn't, especially since the PM (who was filling the SW chair at the time) and the WM knew me to be a good man. I would never discriminate against anyone for membership in a lodge unless it were against my oath and obligation.
     
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