How can you prove that you are a past master when traveling? I've noticed that the dues cards look the same. I guess the lodge you're visiting would have to make enquiries to your home grand lodge?
If you look more closely, you'll notice that "Past Master" is printed on the dues cards of GLoTX members who rate it.I've noticed that the dues cards look the same.
Why does it matter in the US?How can you prove that you are a past master when traveling? I've noticed that the dues cards look the same. I guess the lodge you're visiting would have to make enquiries to your home grand lodge?
Not in all states. Minnesota doesn't do the Board of Installed Masters installation.Installed Masters have their own secrets...
Why does it matter in the US?
In my jurisdiction, a PM or visiting PM can sit in the east with the WMIt was just a question I had been pondering.
That is common in the US, I agree. Do people actually avail themselves of the courtesy?In my jurisdiction, a PM or visiting PM can sit in the east with the WM
In Victoria, a lodge opens in the First Degree, traditionally without visitors. Once open and biz transacted, a report is taken. Visiting MMs (EAs &FCs) are then admitted. Another report is given, then visiting PMs are admitted, but escorted by the DC and introduced to the WM "WM i present WBro x, past master of Lodge of y". PM goes to WM but stays on floor, PM and WM shakes hands, say G'day and pleasantries, PM generally seats in East to left of WM. Another report is taken. Visiting WMs - all rise, deacons and dc get into position and WM received under crossed (rods) and escorted to East. DC intros " WM, I present the WM of X Lodge, WBro y" Visiting WM approaches WM, ascends dias, they shake hands, chat, shake ends and deacons break wands, WM sits, visiting WM sits to WM right.That is common in the US, I agree. Do people actually avail themselves of the courtesy?
Umm, yeah. My comment was about the USIn Victoria, a lodge opens in the First Degree, traditionally without visitors. Once open and biz transacted, a report is taken. Visiting MMs (EAs &FCs) are then admitted. Another report is given, then visiting PMs are admitted, but escorted by the DC and introduced to the WM "WM i present WBro x, past master of Lodge of y". PM goes to WM but stays on floor, PM and WM shakes hands, say G'day and pleasantries, PM generally seats in East to left of WM. Another report is taken. Visiting WMs - all rise, deacons and dc get into position and WM received under crossed (rods) and escorted to East. DC intros " WM, I present the WM of X Lodge, WBro y" Visiting WM approaches WM, ascends dias, they shake hands, chat, shake ends and deacons break wands, WM sits, visiting WM sits to WM right.
It matters here cause WM and PMs represent their lodges when visiting via forml intro. During Installations, a board of installed WMs opened ( PMs stay ) and WM installed. It matters then as well. PMs distinguished by their apron (MMs and above have and use own apron here)...
It's common for visitors to ask for permission to be present during Opening which sidesteps the above ... but WMs should enter under wands and represent their lodge...
That is common in the US, I agree. Do people actually avail themselves of the courtesy?
I've only been an MM for two years but I've visited a lot of lodges and I've not seen this happen.That is common in the US, I agree. Do people actually avail themselves of the courtesy?
I have seen it on one occasion. I say that to say, if a brother was visiting another jurisdiction and wanted to sit in the east with the WM there should be a way for him to prove he is a PM via dues card etc. And yes I know, not every jurisdiction has dues card, so there should be another wayThat is common in the US, I agree. Do people actually avail themselves of the courtesy?
Well, it isn't about what we "want" to do, is it? Surely the pleasure is in attending the lodge, not where we sit as a visitor?I have seen it on one occasion. I say that to say, if a brother was visiting another jurisdiction and wanted to sit in the east with the WM there should be a way for him to prove he is a PM via dues card etc. And yes I know, not every jurisdiction has dues card, so there should be another way
That's good brother. Some brothers want a little more recognitionWell, it isn't about what we "want" to do, is it? Surely the pleasure is in attending the lodge, not where we sit as a visitor?
I will tell you that the lodges I visit in the Highlands don't know of my grand rank. My goal is to go and have a good time, not to show an apron.
Yeah, but then they recognize me from America's Most Wanted and everything gets so awkwardThat's good brother. Some brothers want a little more recognition