I was23 when Raised in1980. They got a dispensation so I could get it done while home on leave. I got stationed in my hometown on Recruiting Duty and went through the York Rite In July of '80.
The Benjamin's ($) are going to be a continuing problem for every organization for probably another generation, which is why I am promoting a drastic uniform shift. I am also looking at tactics and ritual changes for the other bodies. Our state doesn't require either appendant body for Shrine membership and it has hurt us. Contrary to your view of being in the company of old guys, I tend to learn things about life. I know funeral, both from Rites and as a member of our VFW team Honors. We owe it to them.
I know that all I do will be an uphill climb.
Yes I guess I did miss that part of it. What I get for reading before coffee. It sounded as if you found being with older Brethren a put-off and the ritual senseless. I stand corrected (actually I'm sitting corrected). Thanks for clarifying.Willaim, you missed my mention that I am now an old guy. But, as a young man I found it depressing to be around so many who could not remember the work, were confused and often died before the next meeting. I know for a fact that is a put-off to many considering membership.
Agreed!I don't care for the uniforms and drill, either, but like I said, if you want to participate, it's part of it.
The military aspect and drill is what I like about the Commandery.What I object to when it comes to Commandery is the military aspect.
SameI do know that in the ritual in Illinois you swear to defend the Christian faith.
I love both! The military aspect was one of the main things that drew me to the Knights Templar and I think that the uniform is really sharp looking.but I, like you, have no interest in military marching drills or the uniforms.
Absolutely agree!one of the things the uniforms has done is keep the respect for the institution alive, to some extent or another. And (as a still relatively young person in freemasonry at 24), the mantles over casual dress would look... well, not like an organization I would want to be a part of.
I have been a member of KT for 14 months. Just got my uniform and accessories after saving up month by month for it. I got some great deals on everything but it still ended up costing me a little better than $700.00. As stated, I am not destitute by any means but I saved little by little as it is a big expense but, at least to me, worth it.I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it has been a matter of expense. I just don't make that kind of money. What with initiation fees, dues, and the uniform, I've been told it can get expensive fast.
For me the uniform was actually part of what attracted me to the Knights Templar as well as the drill and sword work...the military like aspect.The uniforms are a huge turn off for many,
True, many Commanderies, like other aspects of Masonry, have trouble getting and keeping members. I'm luck to belong to two Commanderies that are going strong.Considering lots of commanderies have issues having enough people to open i'd think they would budge on this.
So I guess those of us who dislike how Commandery is can just sit back and watch the invisible hand of the market take care of things as well as the bad aspects of the craft either work itself out or go kaput. Works for me.For me the uniform was actually part of what attracted me to the Knights Templar as well as the drill and sword work...the military like aspect.
True, many Commanderies, like other aspects of Masonry, have trouble getting and keeping members. I'm luck to belong to two Commanderies that are going strong.
To be more precise, Commandery in your area.So I guess those of us who dislike how Commandery is can just sit back and watch the invisible hand of the market take care of things as well as the bad aspects of the craft either work itself out or go kaput. Works for me.
That's exactly what's happening too, the local ones are combining due to low turnout, that was pre-covid too.To be more precise, Commandery in your area.
Well, my point wasn’t clear. Some US commanderies do cap and mantle.That's exactly what's happening too, the local ones are combining due to low turnout, that was pre-covid too.
I see on your profile UGLE, wish they did over here like they do there, they do cap, mantle and the cool tunics. How is York Rite over there?
Well, my point wasn’t clear. Some US commanderies do cap and mantle.
No York Rite in England. Chapter, R&S, and Preceptory are separate. They have diminished numbers.
Ops my mistake. A brother I know in the midwest is planning on a dual membership, the Commandery out there is quite active and does cap and mantle.
Think what gets me is it mirrors the other orders such as the Order of Malta, Order of St. Lazarus who use really sharp looking mantles. Correct me if I'm wrong here but those were considered church vestments weren't they? If you're going to be part of a church order, I'd think you would dawn something more, well, churchy.
Huh, that's a shame but I'm not suprised. From what I've read the Church of England is having issues with people not showing up, would make sense that something that is Christian based would also reflect that.