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Sovereign Grand Lodge of Egypt

dfreybur

Premium Member
I pray for your skill and dedication in building your jurisdiction to the point it is ready for recognition. You are on the correct path. One step at a time.
 

BullDozer Harrell

Registered User
#4 is so incorrect. A Grand Lodge DOES NOT Charter another Grand Lodge.

Historically, new grand lodges have been created by a number of different methods:

1.) By a declaration of independence by an existing provincial grand lodge, which then became an independent grand lodge;

2.) By a convention of lodges where no provincial grand lodge existed, or where a provincial grand lodge had become inactive;

3.) By a general assembly of Masons, no lodges or provincial grand lodge(s) being involved; and

4.) By a charter from another grand lodge.

In order for a new grand lodge to gain fraternal recognition from regular grand lodges it is necessary, in all the above cases, that the provincial grand lodges, lodges and individual Masons involved are regular, and that means that they all hold warrants, charters, patents and memberships in other regular grand lodges.

Furthermore, it is necessary that the new grand lodge meets all the requirements of regularity, which may be identified in three categories: Autonomy (that it is supreme unto itself and does not share its authority with any other body, like a Supreme Council or a Grand Priory, etc.), Legitimacy of Origin (that its original constituting members and/or lodges are regular), and Legitimacy of Practice (that it practices regular Freemasonry as prescribed in any number of "Standards of Recognition" or "Standards of Regularity" as published by various regular entities (the grand lodges of Scotland, England and Ireland, or the Conference of Grand Masters of North America).

This last, Legitimacy of Practice is a list of regular practices that includes: Non-Masons are not permitted to attend lodge meetings when the lodges are at labor, lodges must be comprised of men only, a Belief in Deity as a requirement for membership, obligations must be taken on or in full view of the V.S.L., the three great lights must be present in the lodge room at all times when the lodge is at labor, the Hiramic legend and the symbolism of Solomon's Temple are indispensable parts of the ritual, the use of Masonic working tools to teach moral and social virtues, a grand lodge must exercise exclusive Masonic authority over the geographic territory it occupies OR it may share the same by mutual agreement with another grand lodge by formal treaty or compact, it must observe the Ancient Landmarks, etc.

Note: Unfortunately, the GL of TX does not meet the first of the requirements of regularity listed above.

In the event that a new grand lodge is formed without any constituent lodges (as in No. 3, above), it would be the duty of the newly installed Grand Master to issue dispensations for new lodges at the earliest possible opportunity.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
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BullDozer Harrell

Registered User
I haven't information about the Grand Lodge of Russia. But if it was in fact the recipient of a Charter or Warrant from another Grand Lodge, it's a subordinate lodge. I 'll agree with you that one GL can help to establish another GL. This has happened all around the world and especially in North America. But that is a different matter and not the same as one GL enpowering another GL through a Warrant issued from its Body. I will wager on this information.
 
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Ressam

Guest
I haven't information about the Grand Lodge of Russia. But if it was in fact the recipient of a Charter or Warrant from another Grand Lodge, it's a subordinate lodge. I 'll agree with you that one GL can help to establish another GL. This has happened all around the world and especially in North America. But that is a different matter and not the same as one GL enpowering another GL through a Warrant issued from its Body. I will wager on this information.

If I'm not mistaken:
Regular Russian Freemasons says that -- 7 Freemasons needed -- in "Master Mason degree", initiated in Grand Lodge of Russia, to establish -- Grand Lodge of [any Central Asia Country], for example.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
I haven't information about the Grand Lodge of Russia. But if it was in fact the recipient of a Charter or Warrant from another Grand Lodge, it's a subordinate lodge. I 'll agree with you that one GL can help to establish another GL. This has happened all around the world and especially in North America. But that is a different matter and not the same as one GL enpowering another GL through a Warrant issued from its Body. I will wager on this information.
Other way around. Russia was the "founder" (their words, see their letter of 15.05.2015) of
the GL of Georgia, for instance. See also the 2016 CIOR CGMNA report, indicating the GL GA was "consecrated" by the GL of Russia.

How do you distinguish the UGLE language,
"1. Regularity of origin; i.e. each Grand Lodge shall have been established lawfully by a duly recognised Grand Lodge or by three or more regularly constituted Lodges. "

I'm unaware of a CGMNA GL having been established by another GL. Example?

Do you have citations for your view?

How would you describe the founding of GL Ajerbaijan?
 
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Ressam

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How would you describe the founding of GL Ajerbaijan?

Hello, Mr.Glen!
IMHO, Citizens of Azerbaijan were -- initiated in -- GL of Russia(or Turkey). After they were raised to -- MM degree & the number of MM reached -- 7 men, they have opportunity to create National Grand Lodge.
IMHO.
 
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Ressam

Guest
I'm enterin' Forum through mobile phone & everything looks like OK with "quotes"!
I apologize!
 

Mike Martin

Eternal Apprentice
Premium Member
But just for the gentlemen who is enquiring as to whom we spoke to at UGLE and seems to know it all, please refer to nick bosanquet and john hamil whom we met at their offices in London.
I don't know it all but I do know a lot :)

I had a chat with John (we know each other quite well) and he confirmed that you all chatted about various methods of doing things and the idea of involving any surviving members of the old Grand Lodge was mentioned but that he did not advise you to try and repone a Grand Lodge as that just isn't the way to do it.
 
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