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For Freemasons, Is Banning Gays Or Being Gay Un-Masonic? : NPR

goomba

Neo-Antient
Site Benefactor
I think it is very dangerous for our fraternity to say much on the topic of sex or sexuality. Our ritual has a character named King Solomon in it. Well according to one Holy Book, I've read he wasn't exactly known for restraint in that area. Incidentally, I think the Eastern Star would love to have the influx of all his wives joining :D.

1 Kings 11:3a - And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
I think it is very dangerous for our fraternity to say much on the topic of sex or sexuality. Our ritual has a character named King Solomon in it. Well according to one Holy Book, I've read he wasn't exactly known for restraint in that area. Incidentally, I think the Eastern Star would love to have the influx of all his wives joining :D.

1 Kings 11:3a - And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines
:eek:
 

David612

Registered User
I think it is very dangerous for our fraternity to say much on the topic of sex or sexuality. Our ritual has a character named King Solomon in it. Well according to one Holy Book, I've read he wasn't exactly known for restraint in that area. Incidentally, I think the Eastern Star would love to have the influx of all his wives joining :D.

1 Kings 11:3a - And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines
And he still had time for temple building, Goodness me!
 

okielabrat

Registered User
Who's to say we don't already have gay Masons in our lodges, and have had them for quite some time?

It is none of my business who a Lodge brother cohabitates or even sleeps with. Yes, my Christian faith says homosexuality is sinful, but it also admonishes me to love the sinner and hate the sin. In other words, the consequences of our individual lifestyles and choices are accountable only to God. I work with several folks in healthcare who have let it be known they are gay, but they don't make a fuss about it. I'm OK with brothers who are gay.
 

Rifleman1776

Registered User
Unfortunately that is a simplistic view that does not cover all possibilities. (I may have mentioned this elsewhere, oh well.) My church has a recent new attendee. The person is a large male who, according to our Pastor, "sees" himself as a woman. He dresses like a woman and prefers to be referred to with a female name. From what we know, he (I still think of him as being a "he") is still intact with male organs, etc. OK, he is coming to church, I have no problem with that. However, it is a fact we are going to lose attendance and members because of this. Several years ago the congregation lost about half it's members when a couple gays began attending. If this happens in a Lodge it could spell the end of that Lodge. Churches and Lodges still need to pay the bills. My church is in the red every month now. That cannot continue indefinitely. We are talking facts here, not bias or bigotry. Tough issue.
 

tldubb

Premium Member
Unfortunately that is a simplistic view that does not cover all possibilities. (I may have mentioned this elsewhere, oh well.) My church has a recent new attendee. The person is a large male who, according to our Pastor, "sees" himself as a woman. He dresses like a woman and prefers to be referred to with a female name. From what we know, he (I still think of him as being a "he") is still intact with male organs, etc. OK, he is coming to church, I have no problem with that. However, it is a fact we are going to lose attendance and members because of this. Several years ago the congregation lost about half it's members when a couple gays began attending. If this happens in a Lodge it could spell the end of that Lodge. Churches and Lodges still need to pay the bills. My church is in the red every month now. That cannot continue indefinitely. We are talking facts here, not bias or bigotry. Tough issue.

WWJD?


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CLewey44

Registered User
.....He dresses like a woman and prefers to be referred to with a female name. From what we know, he (I still think of him as being a "he")......years ago the congregation lost about half it's members when a couple gays began attending...

I look at it as if someone's name is Robert and they prefer to go by Rob or Bob, it's frankly pretty rude to call them Robert just out of spite. Or if someone goes by their middle name and someone insists on calling them by their first name. What does it hurt to call them Rob, Bob or their middle name? As for the last part I just thought it was pretty telling and funny at the same time.
 

LK600

Premium Member
Unfortunately that is a simplistic view that does not cover all possibilities. (I may have mentioned this elsewhere, oh well.) My church has a recent new attendee. The person is a large male who, according to our Pastor, "sees" himself as a woman. He dresses like a woman and prefers to be referred to with a female name. From what we know, he (I still think of him as being a "he") is still intact with male organs, etc. OK, he is coming to church, I have no problem with that. However, it is a fact we are going to lose attendance and members because of this. Several years ago the congregation lost about half it's members when a couple gays began attending. If this happens in a Lodge it could spell the end of that Lodge. Churches and Lodges still need to pay the bills. My church is in the red every month now. That cannot continue indefinitely. We are talking facts here, not bias or bigotry. Tough issue.

We are talking about separate things I think. I was speaking purely of a man who is gay. I was not addressing Trans-anything. Being Gay in and of itself would/should not be a disqualifier. Now, My feelings towards issues of Trans-gender would be as follows. A woman who transitions to a man, is now a man and should be able to join. A man who has transitioned to a woman, is now a woman and can not join. A Brother who chooses to become a woman, is now a woman, and must leave the craft. That's as far of an opinion as I have at this point.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
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We are talking about separate things I think. I was speaking purely of a man who is gay. I was not addressing Trans-anything. Being Gay in and of itself would/should not be a disqualifier. Now, My feelings towards issues of Trans-gender would be as follows. A woman who transitions to a man, is now a man and should be able to join. A man who has transitioned to a woman, is now a woman and can not join. A Brother who chooses to become a woman, is now a woman, and must leave the craft. That's as far of an opinion as I have at this point.
That’s two great minds who feel that way.
 
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darsehole

Registered User
We are talking about separate things I think. I was speaking purely of a man who is gay. I was not addressing Trans-anything. Being Gay in and of itself would/should not be a disqualifier. Now, My feelings towards issues of Trans-gender would be as follows. A woman who transitions to a man, is now a man and should be able to join. A man who has transitioned to a woman, is now a woman and can not join. A Brother who chooses to become a woman, is now a woman, and must leave the craft. That's as far of an opinion as I have at this point.

I agree. Gay and Trans are different, and the debates should be handled differently.

I know, that personally, I hold different opinions and whether or not to address them as a “brother”.

However, with the recent UGLE announcement, one can most definitely expect a similar backlash as Georgia and Tennessee are experiencing in their jurisdictions.

Neither position will benefit the fraternity, on a whole.


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Warrior1256

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My feelings towards issues of Trans-gender would be as follows. A woman who transitions to a man, is now a man and should be able to join. A man who has transitioned to a woman, is now a woman and can not join. A Brother who chooses to become a woman, is now a woman, and must leave the craft.
This is pretty much the way that I see it.
 
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