Women in masonry

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by zouzoum, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Well, duh, as if unicorns are outside the equatorial zone.

    These discussions remind me of Mencken's retort:
    We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
    H L Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
     
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  2. Bloke

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    WITDLB ?
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  3. Warrior1256

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    Wait! Are you saying that there is really NO SUCH THINGS AS UNICORNS????!!!!
     
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  4. dlacaille

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    I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all of these responses. I think the only posts that don't belong are those saying others don't! (Wait, that means mine too, hrmm....)

    This is not a lodge so how can the rule of discussing religion and politics possibly hold sway here? Isn't Freemasonry comprised of people who have a belief in Deity? It doesn't say Yahweh (or whatever your spelling is), the flying spaghetti monster or the Thetan alien living inside you. Just belief in Deity.

    I know that over my life I've gone from Protestant to atheist to Catholic to now "I hope I'm doing the right thing because I don't fully trust the major religions available". That includes reading of esoteric matters and pondering about what I think may be a common flowing river in the worlds religions, possibly buried in allegory and wide spread so regardless of which religions might "win" this knowledge will never be permanently lost, only hidden.

    All of that to basically say, in a few years your own views might change and you wouldn't want others to pressure you or ridicule you for your decision to seek out answers elsewhere. What a boring, repressive, unimaginative and dictatorial world this would be!



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  5. JamestheJust

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    Long ago I did a science degree and noticed that the theories of science changed radically from one century to the next.

    At the same time I noticed that mystics from 2000 years ago were saying the same things as they say now. Hmm!
     
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  6. Ripcord22A

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    Yes that true james as Scientists base their assumptions on facts. They expand on those facts by making assumptions and then either proving or disproving said assumptions.
    Mystics just make stuff up amd spew the stuff that others do

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  7. Warrior1256

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    True.
    Also true.
     
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  8. dfreybur

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    Science, in its capitalized form, is young and still immature. Give it time to mature.

    Look more closely at any one field within science. They mature and slow. Inorganic chemistry is now so exact I have never touched an instrument capable of changing any digit in the tables of the CRC book. Yet that book was written by the Chemical Rubber Company decades ago. Advances in inorganic chemistry are now exotic crystal structures targeting super strength or superconducting. Electronics remains on its initial exponential growth curve. Field to field sciences spring up, grow, mature, slow in asymptotic approach to their ideal form.

    Well now they are pointing out that a short 4-5 centuries ago mystics in the form of Renaissance natural philosophers gave birth to the capital S version of Science. Two millennia ago they were saying that a short 4-5 centuries ago mystics in the form of Greek sages gave birth to the capital P version of Philosophy.

    Both were order from chaos, to me the heart of the mystical. Just like it says on the Scottish Rite ring - Ordo Ab Chao.

    Whatever the knowledge is, while it is still hidden in chaos it gets called mysticism. Once order is discovered that knowledge moves into the realms of Mathematics, Philosophy and Science. It is with good reason the great mathematicians, philosophers and scientists of ancient times were mystics and it remains true today. Ponder that mathematics is now taught as a mundane practice and so many are confused by it.

    Plus sa change, plus sa meme chose.
     
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  9. Rob_Eades

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    How on Earth can you think about furthering the oldest and largest FRATERNITY in the world in a co-masonic lodge. It is clearly clandestine to any regular Mason!
     
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  10. coachn

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    <snicker> Regular to whom?
     
  11. Warrior1256

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    Have to agree with you there brother.
     
  12. Joaben

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    There are no serious reason to exclude women from freemasonery, just machist pretexts. Anyway female and mixt masonery exists without any trouble for more than hundred years.
    The same pretexts were used to exclude from army, police, religion.
    In 1717 not only women were exluded, but black people, servants, handicaped people ... Situation have evolved, because thes criterias were not masonic but adapted to the social structure of these times.
    But to keep these apartheid against women in the 21st century is a shame for freemasonery.
     
  13. Joaben

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    regular to ... rules ...
    Masonic rituals are explicit how do you recognize someone to be mason !
    And there is no refrence to penis!
     
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  14. Warrior1256

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    It's called a FRATERNITY for a reason. In addition one of the landmarks is that no woman can be admitted to the Lodge. One of the main reasons that I joined was that it IS a fraternity. Funny, you never hear anyone saying that sororities should admit men. But then why would a man want to join a sorority in the first place?
     
  15. Joaben

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    does "fraternity" mean "male only" ? "Fraternally..." is applied discussing to female masons. The 18th century landmarks exclude servants, handicaped people, homosexuals ... In the landmarks of 18th century'army they were excluded too.
    "sororities" ??? In countries where Feminine lodges are common, they accept males in their meetings.
    The question is to know if sex have something to do with freemasonery : "male only" or "female only" ...
     
  16. Ripcord22A

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  17. Joaben

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    and your conclusion is ...?
     
  18. coachn

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    Yes, male-craft is a fraternity. Female-craft is a sorority. Co-masonry is mixed. You join the version that best suits YOUR interests.
     
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  19. Joaben

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    Yes, but Freeamason behavior engage all freemason. Practice of masonic apartheid is a shame for ALL freemasons ...male or female.
    NO-sexist craft is a fraternity too. What link FM together(fraternity) has nothing to do with sex, no ?
     
  20. babyjo

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    The way it has been explained to me is that Freemasonry deals with male energy. Freemasonry is angular and so are men. Women are known for having curves. Therefore, the type of 'Work' we do in the Blue Lodge is not specifically intended for women. Yet, so much of what we believe and do as Masons is meant to Support women, children and the community. Women are not permitted in any other Fraternity, so why does the question only come up with regard to ours? Throughout history, there have been women who were made Masons but I think the real reason for the exception may have been lost in antiquity. As Masons, we certainly value our wives, sisters, daughters and girlfriends. It is not meant that women should feel excluded, as we have many functions to which we do invite our families. It is more that Lodge Meetings are a time when we Masons can meet without the distractions of the outside world. Historically, women have always been a distraction to men who are Working. Think of the pretty woman walking by the construction site, being cat called. That is a classic but extreme example. Of course, no Mason would ever behave in that way, but in Lodge, we want to be the best version of ourselves that we can. I'm not sure there is any one reason for the Fraternity being exclusively male. But for my reasoning, I need no other reason than the fact that it is a Fraternity.
     

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