YR equivalent of 33rd degree

Discussion in 'The York Rite' started by Ripcord22A, Aug 16, 2016.

  1. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Well, not exactly. Supreme Council meets on the 33. We open on the 33 to confer the degree. It is a substantive degree.
     
    KSigMason and mrpierce17 like this.
  2. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

    3,330
    2,021
    183
  3. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Me? No. My Valley confers the 33. Even if you go through in DC, you come back and do the degree in Utah.
     
  4. George Coombs

    George Coombs Registered User

    20
    3
    3
    The 33rd degree of the AASR isn't an honorary degree. It's an actual degree and you are an honorary member of the supreme council. To be an active member of the supreme council you have to be selected by the Grand Comander. Some say the KYCH in the york rite is the equivelent of the 33rd degree.
     
  5. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

    770
    431
    83
    QUOTE="George Coombs, post: 165312, member: 4418"]The 33rd degree of the AASR isn't an honorary degree. It's an actual degree and you are an honorary member of the supreme council. To be an active member of the supreme council you have to be selected by the Grand Comander.
    That's the way it works in the orient of Florida

    Some say the KYCH in the york rite is the equivelent of the 33rd degree.[/QUOTE]


    That's not entirely true though some say it ....in order to become a KYCH you must sit in the East in each of the YR houses....in order to become a 33rd in AASR you must be recognized and recommend for your outstanding work in the Scottish Rite even if you are recommended your name goes before a board to be voted on and approved not everyone that is recommended gets approved
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2016
  6. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    3,935
    2,387
    133
    Wording detail. All other degrees can/must be petitioned for. The 33rd can not be petitioned for. The 33rd must be awarded without being asked for. This is one of several meanings of the word "honorary" but it is a very useful meaning and the one that applies to the 33rd degree when it is called honorary.

    I get that having a degree team makes it a real degree, but real is not an opposite of honorary.
     
    chrmc, Ripcord22A and Warrior1256 like this.
  7. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,255
    3,288
    183
    This is pretty much the way that it was explained to me.
     
    Ripcord22A likes this.
  8. KSigMason

    KSigMason Traveling Templar Site Benefactor

    1,003
    205
    133
    While it's hard to compare and contrast the two, the closest thing may be the Knights of the York Cross of Honor (KYCH) or CBCS/KBCH.
     
    BullDozer Harrell likes this.
  9. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Though, the Convent General is a separate stand alone, self governed body.
     
  10. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

    3,181
    2,010
    183
    I'll take "Things the York Rites Bodies Have In Common" for $600, Alex.
     
    Bloke, KSigMason, Warrior1256 and 2 others like this.
  11. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,255
    3,288
    183
    Lol!
     
  12. Companion Joe

    Companion Joe Premium Member

    858
    890
    113
    The two top honors in York Rite are KYCH and Red Cross of Constantine.
    KYCH is earned, as previously noted, and then you have to be balloted on where every KYCH in your state has a chance to object.
    Red Cross of Constantine is something you have to be nominated for, have a write up done on you that is considered nationally, and if approved, your conclave ballots on. You can't ask for it. The number of people with the RCC in the U.S. is somewhere in the neighborbood of 5,000 (give or take).

    Although there is no direct crossover, I have heard KYCH compared to the SR's KCCH and Red Cross of Constantine compared to 33rd.

    Another thing about RCC, conclaves are restricted in size. You may be the most worthy person to ever walk the planet, but if your conclave is full, you have to wait until someone dies.
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2016
  13. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    The prerequisite body for RCC is Royal Arch only. RCC is self governed, unlike the 33rd. While it doesn't detract from your position, membership is not approved nationally in the US before a local ballot occurs http://www.redcrossconstantine.org/resource-docs/RCC-Constitution-Statutes-Regulations-2016.pdf

    KYCH is also a separate body from the so called York Rite. If a local bylaw requires every KYCH in the state to approve, that is not a national requirement, and if I were personal rep for that area, they would be reviewed to ensure they are consistent with the national bylaws.
     
  14. Companion Joe

    Companion Joe Premium Member

    858
    890
    113
    In Tennessee, when someone is put up for KYCH, the list of that year's candidates is sent out for all the KYCHs in the state to see. If you meet the requirements, there has to be a valid reason for an objection, and I think it has to be more than one. In former times, a reason didn't have to be given, and one person with a grudge could prevent you from getting it. That has been corrected.
    The way we do RCC, a proposal is read at your conclave's meeting, the proposal is forwarded on, then if returned favorably from the national body, the name is sent out to all the members of the conclave in case someone was not at the meeting, and it is balloted on by the members of the conclave at the next meeting. Maybe that's just the way we do it, and maybe it's always been done incorrectly, but the proposal is sent off before we vote.


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry Pro
     
  15. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Members of other KYCH priories have no right object to members in your priory under national bylaws. If I have time, I shall address this at Convent General this week. You are giving up your priory's rights.

    Review the RCC statutes I sent and identify where the national approval is stated. If that's the way your IG wants to run his division, that's his call. I don't do that in my division.
     
  16. Companion Joe

    Companion Joe Premium Member

    858
    890
    113
    We only have one KYCH priory for the whole state. I am going to look at the RCC info when I get home and don't have to try to see it on my phone. If we aren't doing something correctly, I'll point it out. I've only been a member for 2 years, so I take it the guys have been in for years know what they are doing.


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry Pro
     
  17. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Ahh. I hadn't thought there would be only one in such a Masonically large state.

    Again, if your IG wants to send to Imperial, that's his choice but I'm not sure of the purpose.
     
  18. Companion Joe

    Companion Joe Premium Member

    858
    890
    113
    Yeah, there is only one KYCH priory, and the annual meeting/conferral is once a year during Grand Lodge week.
    We have five RCC conclaves. Again, I don't know if the way ours handles proposals is something the IG wants or something our secretary just does because he thinks that's the way it's supposed to be. I'm not an officer. I'm just a sideliner who goes with the flow in this one.
     
  19. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,902
    3,334
    183
    Oh, the CBCS in the US cannot, nor can Red Cross
     
  20. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

    669
    687
    143
    As the YR is not a unified body and the invitational bodies are different; it would depend on the brother individually which order is the biggest honor. Just my 2 cents.
     

Share My Freemasonry