Ladies Freemasonry in the UK video

Discussion in 'Freemasonry in the Press' started by Matt L, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. LK600

    LK600 Premium Member

    654
    711
    113
    The only thing I'll add is of course it's intolerant. Every time you put a rule or a stipulation on something making a requirement it is intolerant. And I agree, we could debate this for weeks and neither of us would be satisfied. As I've previously stated... we will have to agree to disagree, because going much further would indeed get... as Mr. Cook suggested, rancorous on both sides I'm sure.
     
    Travelling Man91 and Warrior1256 like this.
  2. LK600

    LK600 Premium Member

    654
    711
    113
    Yes, both sides are expressing their beliefs. Neither side (that I know of) has suggested people can't do what they want in reference to this subject. Obviously we all have strong beliefs in Freemasonry... just in different directions.
     
    Warrior1256 and Bloke like this.
  3. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

    4,307
    3,035
    133
    Agreed. And, none of us a vehemently pushing a barrow, especially to admit woman. I think this conversation is more around how far some of us do and do not extend the word "Freemason" and while acknowledging the UGLE statement, at the end of the day, sitting in tyled lodge with a female is neither permissible nor a wish of any of the current participants in this thread. And of course, learning something new about the Odd Fellows :)
     
    Warrior1256, CLewey44 and LK600 like this.
  4. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,335
    3,330
    183
    Agreed.
    Lol.
     
  5. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,335
    3,330
    183
    Excellent point.
     
  6. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,928
    3,366
    183
    Not “Brother” Cook?
     
    Matt L likes this.
  7. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

    983
    393
    63
    Are you in favor of women being initiated, passed, and raised in regular and recognized masonic lodges ?

    Sent from my LG-LS997 using My Freemasonry mobile app
     
  8. LK600

    LK600 Premium Member

    654
    711
    113
    Old habits die hard, I have not been using that phrase long so please excuse my ineptness, Brother Cook.
     
  9. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,928
    3,366
    183
    No worries. I’m old enough to have been addressed as Mr Cook as a young naval officer.
     
  10. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

    1,640
    1,546
    113
    I figured you were somewhere between Commander and Rear Admiral. Am I close?
     
    LK600 likes this.
  11. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,928
    3,366
    183
    Sure are. Captain.
     
  12. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

    1,640
    1,546
    113
    Right in the middle :) That's outstanding, sir!
     
  13. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    3,935
    2,388
    133
    There's a functioning Odd Fellow lodge near where I live. I heard about it at a partisan political event we attended. That coincidence I find hilarious as both groups have the same landmark against discussing partisan politics at lodge.

    The Odd Fellows have much worse membership decline problems than we do. Our numbers are retreating back to the pre-WW1 levels but now many lodges are thriving and have calendars filled with degrees. The decline in Odd Fellow membership might not have the type of bottom we are seeing. Very few of their lodges are thriving, possibly because they never did have as many lodges as we did.

    A couple of decades ago the Girl Scouts faced an organizational crisis. They funded their activities by selling cookies. That's a business. The a business it does not matter if it's for profit or not for profit, businesses above a certain size are not allowed to discriminate. The Girl Scouts faced a choice. Stop selling cookies or allow boys and atheists. Apparently they did a lot of soul searching and discussion about what their values were. They chose to stop discriminating. Needless to say, boys didn't rush in and take over but that must have looked possible during the discussion. Once they chose their values, they stuck to them. I cheered them on.

    A couple of decades ago the Boy Scouts watched these events carefully. Apparently they did a lot of soul searching and discussion about what their values were. They chose to stay boys only with no atheists. The rest of the world noticed that this was discrimination just like we practice, so external funding for Boy Scout events dropped precipitously. Town halls and parks that had donated spaces for meetings had them leave. Churches and lodges took in Dems. Once they chose their values, they stuck to them. I cheered them on and asked by lodge to welcome a den should our DeMolay fail.

    For a while their situation paralleled the situation we now have between Freemasons and Odd Fellows. We could be stable like this for a long time. Female and mixed Masonry exist without formal contact with us, but they are tiny compared to us. They just aren't big enough to matter other than symbolically.

    But let's watch carefully what's going on with the Boy Scouts. These days they are selling popcorn to fund their activities. Which is a business. It does not matter if a business is for profit or not for profit, once that business grows beyond some point it can't discriminate. Notice that the Boy Scouts are starting to drop their old values replacing them with new ones. They are emulating the Girl Scouts. And the Odd Fellows, Moose and so on.

    We have long experienced pressure to accept women. I personally have pointed at least one woman to CoMasonry when asked. They act as a pressure value to relieve the pressure we experience.

    As long as we don't become a business, we don't trigger the type of legal issues Scouting experienced. As long as CoMasonry and female Masonry exist, we can point ladies to them.

    But I've been seeing commercials about the Shrine Hospitals. Right now that's our biggest risk for starting up a business to raise funds. Tonight I'll visit a local Shrine and bring home a petition to move my membership locally. I'm going to keep this issue in mind.
     
    Scoops likes this.
  14. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,335
    3,330
    183
    Really good points to ponder.
     
  15. Matt L

    Matt L Site Benefactor

    474
    503
    143
    When I first saw the title of this video, I thought it was another BBC bashing of the fraternity. To my surprise, it was about female Masonry. I liken it to the greek system I belonged to in College, we had fraternities, ladies has sororities. Could they join our fraternity, no, could I join the ladies sororities, (ok I tried)no. Could we co exist, yes.

    Would I sit in a ladies lodge, no it's against the oath I took. Do I personally have a problem with it, no. I stand with Brother Bloke and Capt Cook, arrrrgh! Sorry counselor couldn't resist. I have enjoyed all points of view on this discussion.
     
    Warrior1256 and Scoops like this.
  16. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    2,928
    3,366
    183
    Just don’t laugh at my eye patch, peg leg and hook, and we’re ok.
     
    Warrior1256 and LK600 like this.
  17. Matt L

    Matt L Site Benefactor

    474
    503
    143
    No worries Brother Glen.
     
  18. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

    1,640
    1,546
    113
    Lololololol...it's close, very close.
     
  19. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,335
    3,330
    183
    I don't have a problem with it either for others to practice. To each his own. But mainstream Masonry considers it clandestine.
    Lol.
     
  20. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

    4,307
    3,035
    133

Share My Freemasonry