prince hall oklahoma lodges in the middle east?

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  1. Mindovermatter Ace

    Mindovermatter Ace Registered User

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    This is not a list of recognition but merely a list of Prince Hall Grand Lodges. Also, not all Prince Hall Grand Lodges recognize each other anymore.
     
  2. Travelling Man91

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    Please name PHA GL's that allow plural membership. And what PHA Grand lodges does not recognize each other ?
     
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  3. MRichard

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    MWPHGLMN and I have also heard Delaware, Rhode Island, and Ohio. I am pretty sure about MN. A Prince Hall mason told me about the others so I can only take his word.

    There are six PHA grand lodges that don't recognize the PHA grand lodge in Louisiana. I believe I showed you documentation in a private message on here.
     
  4. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    Than you. I believe you did
     
  5. The Traveling Man

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    I have never heard of this. Is there an official statement from a Grand Lodge or a site I can go to to read more on this?
     
  6. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Which statement are you referring to?
     
  7. The Traveling Man

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    I was referring to PHA Grand Lodges not recognizing other PHA Grand Lodges.
     
  8. Travelling Man91

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    Question : Can a GL be clandestine but regular ?

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  9. The Traveling Man

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    I don't believe a GL can be Clandestine and Regular, but one can be Regular but Unrecognized, Irregular but Legitimate, or Irregular in Initiation but Regular in practice...

    Then again that also depends on someones interpretation of Clandestine and Regular (as well as irregular, recognition, etc.)
     
  10. dfreybur

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    Maybe in theory. Clandestine lodges are generally forces for good in their communities. The majority of members do not know of their clandestine status or they would have joined a regular lodge in the first place. Since clandestine jurisdictions jurisdictions tend to use published ritual and reference well known books about Masonry they can observe those landmarks not about lineage.

    The treatment for clandestine status is about lineage not about landmarks. Many clandestinely raised brothers can be healed to regular Brothers. We have a number of Brothers on this board who are shining examples of this process. An entire lodge can apply for a charter with a regular jurisdiction and be healed. I read rumors that this has happened but such an event would be understandably under heralded. A clandestine jurisdiction could request consolidation into a regular jurisdiction to heal all of their lodges and members.
     
  11. Travelling Man91

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    That's where I was going with it. Clandestine meaning no lineage, but regular because they follow the same rituals and ancient landmarks.

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  12. Glen Cook

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    Well, PHA is regular. However, GLs which define clandestine as a GL which is unrecognized, present the situation of clandestine but regular.
     
  13. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    Bro. Cook, if you would please define "regular" in layman's terms please :)

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  14. Ripcord22A

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    TM91 see above for explainations
     
  15. Travelling Man91

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    I'm trying to understand what makes a GL regular, is it following ancient landmarks or certain rituals ?
     
  16. Ripcord22A

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    A regular GL is on that follows the landmarks. You cannot be a reg GL if you admit women, athiests ect ect. there are plenty of bogus GLs that are regular but are not the true GL in their jurisdiction. Plain and simple if it is not the GLoSTATE(AF&AM, F&AM, FAAMofDC, AFMofSC) or the MWPHGLofState with the Stringer and Union exception(F&AM, Or AF&AM of Libera) If a GL claims to be PHA and are AF&AM they are automatically clandestine. Now they may be regular but are clandestine.

    general Rule of thumb:

    Clandestine: No valid lineage

    Regular: Follows landmarks

    Recognized: the GL of a jurisdiction that other regular and recognized GLs recognized as the valid jurisdiction in that area.
    Inorder to be Regular and recognized a GL must be able to trace its Lineage to some GL that can track its lineage to the UGLE or the lodges that formed it. and be regular in its workings.

    Now each jurisdiction has its definition of those words so call your Sec or GrSec and ask him.
     
  17. Glen Cook

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    These definitions are not necessarily accepted. For some, a GL which is irregular is by definition clandestine. For instance, if you admit women, you are considered clandestine by these GLs.

    Really, there is no need to be hung up on these definitions. The issue is whether they meet the criteria for recognition and leave it at that.

    It would be better to refer to the Standards for Recognition used by CGMNA and the Principles of Recognition used by UGLE. The citations have previously been provided.

    A GL could also trace back to Scotland or Ireland.

    As noted, PHA Liberia is AF&AM.
     
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  18. Ripcord22A

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    Much better explaination my Brother!!
     
  19. rjxhanjj

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    Hi there, if this is true...I need to continue my petition and later on earn a degree to be a full pledged MM. I am from the Philippines when I knock in the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons in the Philippines way back 2014, however, opportunity knocks for me in Abu Dhabi (+971 58 994 6711; kindly call if you are in Abu Dhabi or in Dubai right now) since I am a family man. Once you have read this, kindly inform me ASAP!. Thank you brothers...- John Raey Resumadero
     
  20. rjxhanjj

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    Hi there, if this is true...I need to continue my petition and later on earn a degree to be a full pledged MM. I am from the Philippines when I knock in the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons in the Philippines way back 2014, however, opportunity knocks for me in Abu Dhabi (+971 58 994 6711; kindly call if you are in Abu Dhabi or in Dubai right now) since I am a family man. Once you have read this, kindly inform me ASAP!. Thank you brothers...- John Raey Resumadero
     

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