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Ressam

Guest
We do not discuss content of ritual with outsiders.

Aa! Mr.Doug. Thanks!
Can I just clarify?
If I've understand you correctly -- "the progress&work" for gaining higher degree is being made only in the lodge(not outside it)? Correct?
 

Bloke

Premium Member
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Dear Gentlemen,
2 questions.

1. Is that correct info that "Masonic Oath" contains such cruel consequences -- [**********REMOVED***********]? If "yes" -- why so?
2. Is that correct that -- some Freemasons can eternally stay in the status of "Entered Apprentice" & never become "Master Mason"?

Thank You!

Hi Ressam. People have replied well, but I would add something. Firstly, you are learning things vary over the world; here we do not take an "Oath" but describe it as an "obligation" - perhaps under (my) GAOTU there is no difference, but we never use the word "Oath" to describe our obligations.

It would be interesting to know if any other jurisdiction takes what is described today INTERNALLY within that jurisdiction as an Oath - there probably is...

Secondly, and again here, the direct quote from ritual is the "...penalty FORMALLY associated with the violation of the obligation implying as a man of honour and a Freemason...". It is made very clear here in our ceremony that these are symbolic. This is standard.

To the second question - yes a brother could become an EA and not advance, continue paying his dues and remain a Freemason for life here. There is no rule saying to must advance here, but I've never known someone to do that.

I suggest you edit your original post as I have - lest you give offense to a brother who hold the opinion you have given offense - just a suggestion...
 

Bloke

Premium Member
This dude....ressam needs to go

I respectfully disagree. As I understand it, the board is for Freemasons and people interesting in Freemasonry. If Ressam was an EA, he would be bound by masonic law, but he's not, and that might make it tricky for us to deal with him. Further, in not being a Mason, he does not really understand where due bounds are. While, sometimes I find his writing style tricky to read and he expresses opinions on matters as an outsider without full understanding (LOL, insiders do it to, probably including myself) and that grates, I don't think he is a troll and I do think he is well intended. If our reaction is simply to eject him, are we really being the best we can be ? I think not.
 
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Ressam

Guest
I respectfully disagree. As I understand it, the board is for Freemasons and people interesting in Freemasonry. If Ressam was an EA, he would be bound by masonic law, but he's not, and that might make it tricky for us to deal with him. Further, in not being a Mason, he does not really understand where due bounds are. While, sometimes I find his writing style tricky to read and he expresses opinions on matters as an outsider without full understanding (LOL, insiders do it to, probably including myself) and that grates, I don't think he is a troll and I do think he is well intended. If our reaction is simply to eject him, are we really being the best we can be ? I think not.

Thanks Mr. Bloke!
Yes -- I'm Researcher!
And, I'd really like to be -- "The Mason Without An Apron".
 
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Ressam

Guest
No problem. Out of interest, why are you researching Freemasonry ?

I don't know. Reasons are simple! Freemasonry declares good values! Truth, Brotherly Love, Relief.
Many good guys were Freemasons!
That's why.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
You dont need to participate in chat board for that... you could get that info elsewhere on the web. "I don't know" sounds right, but there is a reason. It might just be company...
 
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Ressam

Guest
You dont need to participate in chat board for that... you could get that info elsewhere on the web. "I don't know" sounds right, but there is a reason. It might just be company...
This is The Official Masonic Forum!
Information from trusted source! Conversation on "Live" Mode. That's nice, of course!
 
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Ressam

Guest
So are you in search of genuine brotherhood?

If so you may like to contact the secretaries of local lodges and ask if you can visit their festive boards. By the time you have visited several lodges you may have found one with your sort of people.

In my view, whatever you do in life, if you are not with your own sort of people you are unlikely to be content.

Thanks for your -- advice, Mr.James!
 
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Ressam

Guest
So why have you not yet submitted a petition to a local lodge?

This board is NOT an official voice of Freemasonry. No such thing exists, nor can it exist.

Thanks for your post, Mr.Doug!
I'm still Researching.
I understood. I've meant -- this Forum is The Voice of Official Freemasons.
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
Hes from the middle east....freemasonry is illegal there

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Ressam

Guest
So why have you not yet submitted a petition to a local lodge?

Mr.Doug!
Is it possible, for example, that if they'll, probably, invite me for the interview in a Lodge,
and ask me the question: "Why you wanna join Masonry?".
May I answer: "I wanna join it -- for the business connections&financial benefits"?
 
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