racism question

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by freemasonpha, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    No, it’s not bad, but you don’t need to wipe out or absorb another grand lodge to make it happen. My NM lodge has members from all over the racial and cultural spectrum, and they have a excellent relationship with another GL within the jurisdiction. No labels need be applied.
     
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  2. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    My point is impossible to convey here...lets just never change this divide. ...I fold....
     
  3. AndreAshlar

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    I believe your point is being conveyed. I just don't agree with it.

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  4. SteveH

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    I have never been to a Prince Hall lodge, so I can't speak on that, but being a mason in Tennessee I can tell you that racism is alive in our state. I have been to several lodges in my area and I have yet to see a black man. Damn shame in my opinion, but it is true. We don't say it openly, but it can't be an accident that all our lodges in my part of the state are all white.
     
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  5. MarkR

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    Have any black men petitioned?
     
  6. David612

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    Are there any Prince Hall lodges in the area?
    Making an effort to build a relationship and establishing a new culture isn’t going to happen by itself
     
  7. Warrior1256

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    Quite right.
     
  8. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    As a TN PHA mason, I can say yes blacks have petitioned and were black balled or "strongly" urged to find a PHA lodge. I know this because some of these gentleman are now brothers of mine.
     
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  9. acjohnson53

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    I highly agree, in my time in masonry PHA is well diverse and welcome all men regardless of their race. As long as he can ride that goat for 8 seconds. (LOL) Matter of fact the United Supreme Counsel is in Memphis, TN. I know a few Brothers in the Nashville(Cashville) area. There is strength in Numbers. the more Lodges except Men for who they are the longer Freemasonry will live.
     
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  10. Warrior1256

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    Agreed!
     
  11. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    We always discuss blacks not being allowed in white lodges for obvious reasons, but I want to give kudos to the white brethren that leave or help make a change in their bigoted Lodge or Grand Lodge. These brother's dont get enough credit.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    Two years ago the GL of Kentucky and the PHGL of Kentucky extended visitation privileges to each other. It was a great day for Kentucky Freemasonry!
     
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  13. David612

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    I’m in the dark about this as I’m not in the US, Prince Hall lodges are seen as regular, and have been for quite some time, yes?
     
  14. LK600

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    In most jurisdictions, yes, but not all in both directions (both sides of the Atlantic)

    on edit... To be clear, I have very strong feelings in favor of recognition.
     
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  15. David612

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    It’s clearly my own personal biases but it just strikes me as ridiculous that this is even a discussion, if there isn’t an active effort to unify recognition there definitely should be, but again as I haven’t grown up in the culture it’s clearly not something I grasp fully
     
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  16. Warrior1256

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    Same here!
     
  17. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    As Australians, we just don't get this Prince Hall Freemasonry thing at first. We also don't get the scale of irregularity in the USA (and other places). Prince Hall GLs will be recognised by your GL David.
     
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  18. AndreAshlar

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    If you understand the history of slavery and racism in the U.S. as well as the resolve of the victims of that oppression, it's easy to grasp how the environment was fertile ground for the birth of Prince Hall Freemasonry.

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  19. David612

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    The thing is it’s one thing to theoretically understand the history of slavery but an entirely different thing to have lived in country to have it in living memory and to have it as part of day to day life.
     
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  20. Bloke

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    Indeed. But it was still a surprise to discover Freemasonry did not stand aside from that, but as a institution of society, it makes sense that the Freemasons who comprised those lodges were racist -but even typing that feels wrong. I always point out, that according to the tradition history, the only reason Prince Hall Freemasonry was born was because a group of White Irish Freemasons initiated Prince Hall and his companions because they were not racist like local American Freemasons were,. or if those Irish Freemasons were racist, the made their passions and prejudices coincide with the just line of their conduct.
     
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