racism question

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by freemasonpha, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. David612

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    True, the way the white settlers treated the Aboriginal people here in Aus is quite akin to the way the American Indians where treated in a lot of ways.
    I’ve got Scottish, Irish and Greek blood so yeah.. there is trouble on any front really at some point in history.
     
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  2. Glen Cook

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    What about PHA GLs in amity with unrecognized groups, such as GLdF?
     
  3. AndreAshlar

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    Who is GLdF?

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  4. David612

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  5. LK600

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    Grande Loge de France
     
  6. David612

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    As far as that goes, that’s for the Grand lodges to mess around with.
    They can play politics and all that malarkey but when a man is referred on to Prince Hall masonry because he is black, that is more than a masonic recognition issue.
     
  7. Glen Cook

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    Sorry. Grand Lodge of France.
     
  8. Glen Cook

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    Well, yes, and the comment was based on your statement “Honestly I’d like to see recognition pulled from places where this continues if it can’t be rectified in short order.”

    I think you’ll agree that your proposal to withdraw recognition is not as neat and simple as it sounds.

    Your second point was not at issue.
     
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  9. David612

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    I was being facetious but it’s true that I would like to see a more active effort however the fact that things are changing is fantastic, it just brings a lot of shame upon us all that this is still a relevant discussion within the organisation.
     
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  10. Warrior1256

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    Yep, we've been on this issue a few times before .
    Grand Lodge A pulls recognition from Grand Lodge B. GL C gets upset over this and pulls recognition from GL A. GL D gets upset and pulls recognition from GLs B and C.....and so on and so forth. Where does it end?
     
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  11. dfreybur

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    Read up on Irish slavery. The entire world needed to practice slavery once agriculture was invented or most would starve. Advances like beasts of burden and plow improvements allowed that ancient evil to be stopped one region at a time. Ireland had a much more recent experience of slavery than the rest of western Europe - In an era when Russia freeing the serfs was still more than a century in the future. This would have increased their sympathy on the issue.

    This is something that just occurred to me today, but likely it's been discussed by others for many years.
     
  12. Bloke

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    Well familiar with those things, although not sure the plow was the hinge on which slavery ended..
     
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  13. Bloke

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    If that's the case - then we need to try harder... and in that, while you can try to influence others, the only person you can control is yourself.
     
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  14. Warrior1256

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    True and well said Brother!
     
  15. David612

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    That’s not the anew world order attitude :)
     
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  16. Travelling Man91

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    Happens all the time brother. True story, I was raised a MM in 2014. My previous commander in the military was just getting his EA degree when he found out I was a freemason. Later, after he was raised he said that he didn't understand the PHA and GL of state Issues. I tried to explain to best of my ability without pointing fingers at one particular GL (Although, I will say I believe there is more heavy racism on the GL of TN side). He later told me that I ought to try and join his lodge. In order for me to do that, I would have to go through a long process denouncing PHA and "try" to petition his lodge. I had him raise the question in a stated meeting. He came back and said although we are one of the most liberal lodges in the state of TN , raising a black man would cause issues with the GL and possibility have our charter pulled.
     
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  17. David612

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    Im very sorry to hear that, it really makes my heart sink.
    Out of curiosity, what is the make up of the local PH lodges?
    All black or is it more multicultural?
     
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  18. Travelling Man91

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    Predominantly black. Although we do have some Hispanic and White brethren
     
  19. Warrior1256

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    Lol!
    Very sorry to hear this.
     
  20. AndreAshlar

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    False. That's a myth. Indentured servitude is not slavery.

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